Announcement!!

[PasoVicki]

Some of you know that I had planned to breed Mila to Wendy Kaufmann's beautiful stallion, Capuchero, this Spring. But Wendy has her hands full to overflowing with her move to Tennessee, so the timing didn't work out.

That's the bad news. The GOOD news is that Debbie Sandusky's gorgeous stallion, Cale's Helado Oro (aka Frost), stepped up to the plate . . . and Mila's ultrasound this morning confirmed that she's in foal! So Carol Nelson's Bunny and Mila are going to give birth to half-siblings next Spring!

Just to give you all a taste of good things to come, Deb is going to post a photo of her first Frost colt. It'll give Carol and me something to drool over while we're counting down the months.

Vicki
*** I admit that I'd really, really, really love a little filly . . . but please just give me a healthy baby! ****

[Carol Nelson]

Vicki, this couldn't be more exciting for me...because I've followed Mila's life with Terry since she was born and always loved that little horse! Now we can share baby pictures next year!!! Oh it's going to be an exciting time!! CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Sigh...such a darned long time to wait though... :roll:

I'll say a prayer for Mila that everything goes well...you want the filly and I want the colt...we'll see who gets what they want...hey, if it turns out the other way, we'll just SWITCH!! :lol:

To tell you the truth, I don't know who's more excited, us or DEB!! ;-)

[PasoVicki]

you want the filly and I want the colt

Did change your mind? I thought you wanted a golden palomino filly. Are you wishing for a cremello colt now, so you can have a PPR palomino factory?

We'll have to support each other as we wait through the long, long months until next Spring. So far, everything with Mila has been textbook perfect, but by next Spring I'll be in a tizzy worrying over all the things that can go wrong.

[Brigitte]

Exciting!

[pprpaso3]

Well Frost is batting 1000 so far this year with his Ai breedings! Still have some ppr mares to cover up north soon so hopefully all will go well and there will be beautiful Frosty foals running all over next year!

We only got one mare bred to Frost last year...we bred 3 mares 2 natural and 1 AI.....the 2 natural breedings were confirmed but the older one absorbed hers in about the 3rd month....we are going to try again but this time will be checking her hormone level and may have to use regimate....she is 25 years old.

We did just have a Palomino colt out of the one ppr mare.....her name is Dulcera de Faeton.....she is a chestnut mare and well built and stocky....nice lines....Pumpkin(her barn name) is being very protective of this new baby of hers and we had a hard time getting a picture!

We did get this cute one of him laying down........he is such a pretty color...that mauvey/pink color that my palomino filly was last year when she was born. He is much larger than she was at 3 days old....

Both sire and dam have big blazes but this little guy only has the tiny star....I love this head and am actually glad there is no blaze to take away from it. He does have 4 white hooves but I don;t see any white socks ......the tail is white and the mane is still short and curly but should grow out in no time.

Hope to get more pics of him in the next week or so....I bet he is so shimmery out in the sun.

Well here he is......don;t have a name yet....any suggestions? Now I really want to get back to PA to see this baby! :D


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[dana]

Wow! that is just Awesome! it's going to be hard to tell which of the four of you ladies is going to be the most excited! wait until Terry hears!

[Bonnie M]

Great news! Good luck with getting what you want!

Is Mila the one that had the problems when she was a baby? What was it that was wrong with her?

[Carol Nelson]

Well...there you go, Vicki...somethin' else just to make our wait seem longer yet! ;-)
Sigh...wouldn't ya just love to look out your window some morning and see something like that in your pasture??? :D
Deb, though...you really should post one of those of him nursing...he really has a nice conformation for a foal. Those pics show it well!!

No, I've always wanted a Pally colt...I am kinda trying to grow my own personal riding horse. If it's a not so perfect colt (which I hardly doubt) I'll geld him and keep him for my own...if it's a gorgeous specimen, he'll be one of our breeding stallions. I WON'T put this one up for sale until I SEE it. ;-)
And I know Terry is always telling me I need a cremello...but gee, I'm just not fond of them...but I 'spose if it's a healthy little cremello colt or filly...I won't be beggin' to put it back! :lol:

[Carol Nelson]

Bonnie, yes, Mila was the one that had all the problems but they stemmed from being premature. They were not congenital. Perhaps Terry will be on here and explain...hey, where is that Terry, by the way????

[PasoVicki]

wait until Terry hears!

She knows. I waited until I knew she had received her PM before I posted the announcement.

[Laura S]

Congrats Vicki....I will be patiently waiting for next years filly, and Carol's colt!

And Frost's new colt is gorgeous!! Keep up us supplied with pics as he grows please!! :D

[PasoVicki]

Mila wasn't actually premature -- her dam had an incompletely attached placenta. Same result, though; Mila only weighed about 35 pounds at birth. No one thought she would live. Very few breeders would have put in the time, effort and expense that Terry did to help her survive and thrive.

I have some print photos of her as a tiny (and I mean tiny) foal, but I don't think I have any that I can post. Maybe Terry still has some??

[Bonnie M]

Gotcha, thanks Carol ;-)

Just couldn't remember what the problem was, just remember her posting updates and pics of her.

I looove my palomino, Legado. The pic above reminded me of him when he was a baby!

<-----That's him in my avator, peeking over the gate :D

[pprpaso3]

OK Carol......I will post the ones of him nursing...he is really nice already even at 3 days old...very upright and nice butt. Some newborns are boney in the hips at this age but not this one.....you can kinda get a glimpse of the mare in these but can;t see much more than her legs and belly......one shows her muzzle with that big blaze of hers.....she has no other white on her except the blaze.


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One more....

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/119656vastagonursingfix2-med.jpg

That's all of them for now.....will post updated ones when I get them. Next ones will be outside shots of him in the sunshine! :lol: :D

I don;t really see any white socks on this guy....can anyone else?

[Andrea G.]

Vicki - Congratulatiosn - how exciting!
I am sure you are going to have one beautiful baby! And nicely gaited too!
I am so glad Mila finally took and can get pregnant.
It will be fun watching her progress!

Okay, Vicki and Carol - I love pally's but also just love cremellos!!

I have a black mare who has thrown 2 chestnut babies when bred to chestnut stallions. What would I get if she was bred to Frost? Any chance on a palomino or buckskin?

[pprpaso3]

Andrea...to answer your question about breeding Frost to your black mare and if you could get palomino or buckskin the answer is "yes".

Your color possibilties with a black and a palomino are: Palomino, Buckskin, Smoky Black,Chestnut, Bay and Black.

Between Carol and Vicki....Carol's percentages of getting palomino are much higher than Vicki's.

Palomino x palomino: 50% palomino, 25% chestnut, 25% cremello.(Bunny x Frost)

Buckskin x palomino: Palomino, buckskin, smoky black, chestnut, bay, black, cremello, perlino, smoky cream (Mila x Frost)

Mila also has the primitive dun markings so this baby will be very interesting...I think the dun markings will be present on this foal.

This will be fun to watch...

[JennLM]

Congrats! Can't wait to see what this baby turns out to look like!

I'm trying to get my head wrapped around all the colors and think I am getting it but do have a question.

Since Dun markings are another another thing added on, Can a Cremello have them? If so they would be hidden correct? On a Perlino I could see the orangy/rusty markings there to express Dun correct?

[pprpaso3]

The Dun factor is a color modifier. It will effect the body color of a horse by shades.....I would think since Cremello has no color at all in the coat the dun factor would not be visible at all....I suppose it could be present but not visible. You could also see white guard hairs in the base of the tail and /or mane with the dun factor.

I think the dun factor can be present in any horse but not be expressed and come out whenever. Some really dark bays and blacks don;t show the dun markings either but may carry them and pass them to their offspring. I had a mare that was a red dun. SHe had the prettiest strawberry coat color in summer. Her mane was a flaxen and her tail mixed...she had a very sharp dorsal stripe but you could only see her leg bars in spring. Her foal has no Dun markings at all....she is a very light palomino but not to say she isn't carrying the Dun factor.

[PasoVicki]

Andrea -- Since Maria has thrown two chestnut babies, she's not homozygenous black, so you have a 50/50 of getting a "red" based baby when bred to a palomino. That red based baby has a 50/50 chance of being palomino, depending on whether the sire throws his cream gene.

Whether you could get a buckskin depends on whether the sire has an agouti gene, since Maria obviously doesn't. A red based horse could have a hidden agouti gene, since agouti doesn't show up on a red based coat.

Deb: Do you know whether Frost has a hidden agouti??

Oh, Andrea, did you notice that there is a cremello mare listed on the sales forum?? I thought about you when I saw the ad.

[pprpaso3]

I don;t know if Frost has the hidden Agouti gene. I know he has the sooty gene and I suspect the dunfactor .......I know there is now a test for dun factor (or soon to be) but is there a test for agouti? If not who do you know if your horse has it? Frost has so much black in his coat even now when he is a golden palomino color I still can see black hairs in certain areas of his coat.

[PasoVicki]

I know there is now a test for dun factor (or soon to be) but is there a test for agouti?

I don't think the test for dun factor is "out" yet, but there's definitely a test for agouti. It might be something you want to consider, since it's nice for mare owners to know about all of the color possibilities when they breed to a stallion. I think the test is only like $35.

The other way you'd be able to tell would be to breed Frost to black mares. If one throws a buckskin or bay baby, then Frost has agouti. But I think the DNA test would be a lot easier than breeding to a bunch of black mares and waiting 11 months. ;-)

[Carol Nelson]

Gee...maybe we should breed my Cita to Frost, eh, Deb. When she was born, she looked chestnut so I registered her chestnut. But as she aged she got darker, and almost looked liver chestnut at times. Then when she was pregnant, her face got VERY dark. I'm sure she's dun...peanut butter dun, maybe? Her sire, Indio de Ensueno, a son of Ensueno de Colombia, carries the dun factor. Her baby is a very vivid RED dun by Rojo Tejas, of course.

Cita (Estrellita de Indio)
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Her daughter, Ayla (Fuego de la Ciela)
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Cita has a fair amount of PR in her...she is the one I mentioned substituting if we couldn't get Bunny pregnant. Her mama, Danzarina mi Lu is the mare who's pedigree I sent you along with the gelding's.

http://www.pasoregistry.com/db/Tree.asp?ID=101249

[pprpaso3]

I will check into the agouti test.....I don't have any black mares in the lineup.....

Carol...that is a beautiful mare! She does look so much like my Paulina the dam of Cita. I bet Frost and her would really make a pretty foal.....I just love Duns....they are so pretty and have such unusual shades....especailly these red ones....yep look at her muzzle how dark it is....she definately looks dun to me. Paulina was registerd as chesnut till I got her and had it changed to red dun. I sent in all the photos to PFHA and she definately qualified as a dun.

I really think Frost has some dun factor hidden under that smokey gene...I will have that test done when it comes out...it is nice for mare owners to know what to expect from the stallion along with of course the creme gene...that is what most people are interested in with Frost and of course his temperament.

I just can;t wait to see these foals next year...I am so excited!

[Rusel]

I'm no longer sure what color is what color....but.... why would you call the colt a palomino instead of a chestnut..???

PS NICE LOOKING FOAL...!!!!!!

[pprpaso3]

Rusel......It is really hard to tell from the pics but this mauvey/pinky coat color is a palomino.

Here is a picture of my filly from last year in the same position as the first picture of the Frost colt......Cita was a newborn here...

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/119656DSC00008-med.JPG

Here she is at about a week old with her mom....
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/119656PaulinanCita5.jpg


Here is Dulcera de Faeton with her chestnut colt from last year at about 1 week old.....you can see the difference in foal coat color compared to the filly in the above pic.....



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Here is the Frost colt again at 3 days old....you can definately tell the difference in coat color between this foal and the chestnut colt above

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[CarolU]

Oh Vicki...that is exciting...and looking at this colt, VERY exciting. Of course you know me...I'm with you for a FILLY ALL THE WAY!!!

11 months is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ng

[Rusel]

Rusel......It is really hard to tell from the pics but this mauvey/pinky coat color is a palomino.

Thanks for the photos.... guess I'm really tired.... and a reddish mane and tail threw me off...

No... actually it's all FireSong's fault.... they all come out red and none of them stay that way....!!!

[Carol Nelson]

Yup....the pink mauvy colored coat....that's why they named Bunny Conejo Rosado, "Pink Rabbit", because they said she looked like a little pink rabbit when she was born... ;-) ....ie., Bunny.... :lol:

Rusel...that Firesong is a beautiful mare...can you post a pic??

[Andrea G.]

Vicki - I could not find the sales post with the cremello - where is it?
Andrea

[PasoVicki]

Andrea -- I sent you a PM.

[Rusel]

Rusel...that Firesong is a beautiful mare...can you post a pic??

Here's my favorite shot of her..... a tail so dark it's purple
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Spirit_Dance_Ranch/buttshot.jpg

Here's a shot of her right after the tornado wiped us out (destroyed barn in background.... ) she's still ticked that she can't go to the barn to eat...!!!! Shots blurry but you can definitely see her royalty attitude...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Spirit_Dance_Ranch/Royalty.jpg

And the last one is with the foal that started out RED and ended up bay dun with black mane and tail and red dorsal, and red tiger leg stripes... man look at that leg extension on that baby.... you should see her now under saddle... by the photo you'll notice the foals coloring looks almost like the palomino in the announcement photo... That's why I asked...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/Spirit_Dance_Ranch/Stride.jpg

[Carol Nelson]

I LIKE that mare...wonder what color she would produce with Rojo... :lol:

[Rusel]

Well let's see.... bred to Dancer(dun) she produced the unusual colored red dun with black mane and tail..... Bred to Felipe (grey) she produced a red roan filly with brindle markings...(might go grey)? Bred to WarSong she produced the colt that will end up dark palomino like his sire...

FireSong's sire was grey (red base), her dam was dun, maternal grandsire black and granddam bay...., paternal grandsire was gray (Monarca base color ?), granddam bay............

So chances are....guaranteed.... you won't get pinto....!!!!

[Terry Wallace]

Chestnut (Firesong) to chestnut (Rojo) will beget chestnut foals.

Chestnut to chestnut = 100% chestnut foals.

[Carol Nelson]

I know, Terry....that was a joke... ;-) True chestnut to true chestnut...that's ALL you can get... :smile: