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Ginger
01-25-2006, 06:41 AM
When you sign up, granted, there's no address or phone number blank, but through the course of conversation with people, one's guard gets lax, and occasionally mailing addresses and phone numbers are exchanged among friends.

Is this information ever passed along to someone else in the course of conversation, or do you keep it confidential? If someone were to say "Hey- does anyone have Crystal's phone number; I really need to call her and ask her something," would any of you with my information do that? Am I "bad" for wondering or worrying about this? I wouldn't be upset if it were genuinely FOR that purpose, but sometimes people have ulterior motives. A good example would be: I was very flattered to receive a card from someone on here. It wasn't your typical "form card"- the sender had taken the extra time to find one suited to my interests, and for that I was especially delighted and grateful. There's no need to recount the bad examples.

There have been times when the exchange of someone's contact information has been for a surprise for them, like a gift basket, or monetary assistance. In retrospect- did we do the right thing? Could we have handled it differently? Was anybody ever offended or upset by this on either side? That of course wasn't the intent, but the road to hell was paved with good intentions (does anyone think that censoring the word "hell" in this context is a bit much, as it's the actual location, and not an interjection?) I'd have felt terrible if when I was PFIN-ing, someone received something "unsolicitedly" and was angry about it. It didn't really dawn on me that this could have happened until today, when I was thinking of bringing to you lot's attention another friend in need of at least a bit of up-cheering (if anybody is interested, I know personally that this individual would be happy to be thought of in this manner, and we could think of something)

It's my opinion that when people exchange hard-copy information like that, that it should stay with the person with whom they initially placed it, instead of passed around. I would hope nobody has done that with my information, and I would also hope that my phone number is never used by any moderator for the purpose of censure. That is really tacky and annoying, and smacks of "church lady gossip". It's bad enough that people hash others on this board via the phone (let alone pm and email) like pinochle buddies. An email, a pm, even a public reprimand would be fine, but I think it crosses a line when someone calls you up to notify you of your transgressions, as though they were a collection agency, or a high school guidance counselor.

In case you're wondering why I've posted this, a friend of mine and I were chatting today via messenger, and the offhand comment was made about their forum (non-horse), and how they'd "come after you" if anything was said out of line. The mod of the forum actually called her AT WORK and asked her to remove one of those banana icons (the banana/cow-love one, to be precise) from a post. That mod and another member had been discussing it on the phone, and between those two, it had been deemed "offensive". Doesn't that sound very Harper Valley PTA, or very "We haven't seen you at church lately, and Sister So and So says she saw you coming out of an adult store with a purchase. We need to talk about the path your spirituality is taking..." kind of intrusive?

I think that if something happens online, it should be kept online. If Shelley comes to your house and steals the change off your dresser, for example, THAT becomes a "real life" problem. It should be dealt with between the changeless and Shelley, however, and not everybody else on the mailing list. That can make things really nasty for a long time.

People here and on a few other closely-knit forums I visit exchange information because they're FRIENDS. They want to keep in touch, and they depend on each other sometimes... swapping phone numbers just to gossip about somebody behind their back, or chastise their conduct is kind of eighth-grade. Furthermore, making fun of somebody who doesn't want to play this game is even stupider.

So the moral of the story is to be careful about exchanging your phone or address information with others, whether you know them personally or not. You never know where that information will eventually go.

Thoughts and opinions anyone? This is just mine. I'm curious to see what others have to say, and whether or not I'm alone in my convictions on this one- not that standing alone matters- I've done it numerous times before, but I'd just like to check the score once in awhile on certain issues. Should there be a different or special membership for those who DO want to contact one another on a more personal level, or who don't mind the exchange? What about the once-briefly-mentioned "Fellowship Committee"- is that even a valid idea?

(We didn't get to dance tonight, and I have a new saddle I haven't a chance to try yet outside, too. I'm jonesing...)

Jane Hurl
01-25-2006, 06:51 AM
Me ... I don't think I'd care. No one has tried (cared?) to phone me! If they phoned to tell me I'd transgressed, I guess I'd take it under advisement. Or not. Depending.

Nah. Wouldn't bother me.

No, wait! It WOULD bother me if someone called to give me grief ... but not in the way you're suggesting, Poni. I'd be bothered that I'd been offensive enough for someone to take the time to phone. I'd have to rethink my persona.

But I can't say I care who has my phone number. I mean, they can get it from the phone book if they want.

Ginger
01-25-2006, 06:57 AM
Well, that point I can see. If someone is REALLY offensive to the point of trolling though, would have to be my "cut-off" point, not banana-bovine lovemaking. It was a wiccan forum, for christ's sake- I mean.. they're all about The Great Rite (if nobody knows what this is... well... I'm not going to tell you here. Besides- that's not my particular trad. Eww.)

OMG my dress is done, my dress is done! I just got the email! EEEEEEK! Back later.

Fino1
01-25-2006, 07:12 AM
Interesting subject, given the tone of Boston Legal which aired tonight. The main story line was about how easy it really is to find information about anyone on the internet..(we knew that)...name, birthdate and gender will give you back roughly 87%.

That seems high to me with just that little bit of info but the show did drive home a BIG point.

Boston Legal has some great writers for sure.
The show is fav of mine.............

I for one, would never give out anyone's personal information online.............period.

Judy

GingerPoni...............the dress?
:PICS

Edurne
01-25-2006, 09:14 AM
Many of us are in the book - and our business are advertised on the web, and our posts either by logo or web address.

As for giving personal information to anyone else - I would suppose that we should all be governed by the same principle of not doing so without requesting permission.

Why a Moderator would bother to call someone at home in order to do the unpleasant work of "helping" is beyond me. They have the ultimate power to pull the plug.

I spent a good bit of time yesterday reading through three or four pages of impassioned speach (on another board) where people were starting a manifesto (can't remember English word) to remove someone from the board. Apears the offendee was great at baiting, being ironic and told the truth as he saw it, but offensively to the others. The problem appeared to be rooted in chauvenistic pride. Sort of like the Americans and the Canadians. :twisted: I believe that groups develope a life of their own, and chastisement more often than not is going to come from the group.

If you wish to facilitate comfort for your friend and think I can help, pm me. :smile:

Edurne
01-25-2006, 09:44 AM
[quote="Edurne"] The problem appeared to be rooted in chauvenistic pride of product - the Colombian paso vs. the PR paso.....maybe the Dominican as well.

01-25-2006, 12:43 PM
When you sign up, granted, there's no address or phone number blank, but through the course of conversation with people, one's guard gets lax, and occasionally mailing addresses and phone numbers are exchanged among friends.



You know a little about my experience. I have learned NEVER to give personal information of any kind to anyone over the internet. People who claim to be your friends after having brief contact with you on a board like this are usually looking for some weakness or trusting stupidity that they can capitalize upon later. You wouldn't walk up to a stranger on the street and blithely tell them your address and phone number, would you? Well, don't do it in public on the internet, either.

I take this one step further. I belong to a great many Yahoo Groups having to do with science and horses, mostly. I don't post to those with my real name, I never fill out the profile -- even if it means I can't join some groups because of that lack. I don't buy things on the internet, either.

There are a lot of crazy people on this worldwide web, and the potential for identity theft is something I shouldn't have to tell anyone here.

Rita

moonrize
01-25-2006, 01:10 PM
I guess I've been really lucky. The people I've shared my address with have sent me christmas cards, get well cards, divinity, and other nice things in the mail. I've had several BB members visit me and come ride with me, and met several others at shows. Most seem to be genuine people, but maybe that's the ones I gravitate to???

I've even let complete strangers (like Poni ;-) ) stay at my house and wasn't raped or molested! I know there's others out there who are completely nuts, but I don't mind if a friend passes my phone/address around to other BB members. Maybe my mind will change when a real jerk gets hold of me, but so far, so good.

01-25-2006, 05:12 PM
I guess I've been really lucky.

Just be careful. Women are especially vulnerable to identity theft, including theft of credit card information, of identity records and forgeries of various kinds. Maybe that's because most women feel guilty or "at fault" somehow for "letting it happen." I know I did.

The police will probably never be able to track down the ID thieves because they used Proxy IP addresses and disguised their identities in many different ways, but if it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone.

Rita

Ginger
01-25-2006, 05:26 PM
I've even let complete strangers (like Poni ) stay at my house and wasn't raped or molested!

Yeah, Moonrize... but the most important question is...

:shock: DID YOU FIND ANY FOOTPRINTS! :shock:

:lol:

Pasogirlz
01-25-2006, 07:04 PM
The only place on this site that asks for ph/address info is the registration for the home page, and it is easy to XXX*** your way thru if you don't want to put that info. I personally have only used it when trying to send out a Showtime or Christmas card. And not everyone on the forum is registered on the home page, so I'm still emailing folks for their addresses when I need to send one out if they are not registered there.

I certainly wouldn't expect one of the Mods to pick up the phone and call someone unless they were already close friends and exchanged numbers.

01-25-2006, 08:37 PM
I certainly wouldn't expect one of the Mods to pick up the phone and call someone unless they were already close friends and exchanged numbers.

I thought I should emphasize that I wasn't talking specifically about this board. I was talking about the Internet in general.

This board seems nice enough, so please don't take anything I said to mean I didn't think you're all nice.

Rita

Ginger
01-25-2006, 08:43 PM
All but maybe two of the mods here are good folks. This board's "safe", unlike other paso, or even general horse-related boards.

Pasogirlz
01-25-2006, 08:45 PM
I certainly wouldn't expect one of the Mods to pick up the phone and call someone unless they were already close friends and exchanged numbers.

I thought I should emphasize that I wasn't talking specifically about this board. I was talking about the Internet in general.

This board seems nice enough, so please don't take anything I said to mean I didn't think you're all nice.

Rita

I know. ;-) I just wanted to make my stand clear that this bb is not handled that way....in case there was any question. lol

Terry Wallace
01-27-2006, 02:39 PM
Just about anybody can get info on who we are...
There is a site where you type in a phone number and it shows a MAP to your house, another site shows your address, yet another will offer to find anybody you want for a fee....

Thats the way it is these days....