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Abejita
08-28-2007, 10:04 PM
this one's kinda interesting..the horses were not obese to start with..
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=10256

Laminitis: New Study on Sugar and Starch as a Cause
by: Kathryn Watts, BS
August 25 2007, Article # 10256
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A breakthrough in laminitis research by a team of scientists at University of Queensland, Australia, and colleagues, was published in August 2007 The Veterinary Journal. The study explains an important link in sugar and starches as causes for laminitis.

Laminitis was induced in healthy, lean, young ponies by prolonged (up to 72 hours) administration of insulin via euglycemic clamp. This procedure maintains blood glucose at a set level, eliminating involvement of glucose toxicity. Prior to the study, all ponies’ insulin levels were in normal range. In addition to clinical observation of lameness, examination of hoof tissues after euthanasia confirmed laminitis in all four feet. There was no evidence of gastrointestinal involvement.
While insulin resistance has long been associated with laminitis, researchers have only speculated as to the causative agent. Some have suggested that inflammatory substances released as a consequence of obesity were to blame. This new research points the finger at the toxic aspects of insulin, although the mechanism by which it causes laminitis is still not understood. The subject ponies were not obese. While obesity is sometimes (but not always) a consequence of insulin resistance, this study shows it is not necessary to trigger laminitis.

This study puts new importance on the role of sugar and starch as the cause of laminitis. These are the carbohydrates that induce a glycemic response that includes release of insulin. Much of the data being used to justify the fructan theory of laminitis are actually water soluble carbohydrates, which include sugar and fructan in cool season grasses.

This study now explains why horses get laminitis from eating warm season grasses such as Bermuda, or legumes such as clover, that don’t have fructan. Sugar concentration increases in both warm and cool season grasses under stress, such as cold, drought, or low nutrient supply. This stress triggers the formation of storage carbohydrates to be used later after conditions for better growth resume. In cool season grasses, the storage form of carbohydrate is fructan, and in warm season grasses it is starch. When fructan concentration in grass is high, sugars are nearly always fairly high as well.

Previous focus on maintaining stable populations of fermentative micro-organisms in the hind gut should be re-evaluated in light of this new research.

Owners concerned with laminitis prevention should look toward minimizing sugar and starch levels in horses' diets and maintaining a regular program of exercise. To identify an animal at high risk for laminitis, ask your veterinarian to pull a blood sample for insulin levels and blood glucose. High insulin or a very low glucose:insulin ratio should trigger a pro-active program of laminitis prevention.

As with humans, diet and exercise are the only way that insulin resistance, which causes high levels of circulating insulin, can be managed.

The study was titled: "Induction of Laminitis by Polonged Hyperinsulinaemia in Clinically Normal Ponies." Authors were Katie E. Asplina, Christopher C. Pollitt, and Catherine M. McGowana of the School of Veterinary Science, The University of Queensland, Australia, and Martin N. Sillenceb, School of Agricultural and Veterinary Sciences, Charles Sturt University, Wagga Wagga, Australia.

Abstract
"The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of prolonged administration of insulin, whilst maintaining normal glucose concentrations, on hoof lamellar integrity in vivo on healthy ponies with no known history of laminitis or insulin resistance. Nine clinically healthy, unrelated ponies were randomly allocated to either a treatment group (n = 5; 5.9 ± 1.7 years) or control group (n = 4; 7.0 ± 2.8 years). The treatment group received insulin via a euglycaemic hyperinsulinaemic clamp technique modified and prolonged for up to 72 hours. Control ponies were infused with an equivalent volume of 0.9% saline. Ponies were euthanased at the Obel Grade 2 stage of clinical laminitis, and hoof lamellar tissues were harvested and examined for histopathological evidence of laminitis.

"Basal serum insulin and blood glucose concentrations were 15.7 ± 1.8 ́U/mL and 5.2 ± 0.1 mmol/L, respectively (mean ± SE) and were not significantly different between groups. Mean serum insulin concentration in treatment ponies was 1036 ± 55 ́U/mL vs. 14.6 ́U/mL in controls. All ponies in the treatment group developed clinical and histological laminitis (Obel Grade 2) in all four feet within 72 h (55.4 ± 5.5 h), whereas none of the control ponies developed laminitis. There was no clinical evidence of gastrointestinal involvement, and the ponies showed no signs of systemic illness throughout the experiment.

"The data show that laminitis can be induced in healthy young ponies, with no prior history of laminitis, by maintaining prolonged hyperinsulinaemia with euglycaemia. This suggests a role for insulin in the pathogenesis of laminitis, independent of hyperglycaemia, or alterations in hind-gut fermentation. For the clinician, early detection and control of hyperinsulinaemia may facilitate management of endocrinopathic laminitis

motorgypsy
08-29-2007, 12:24 AM
This study is HUGE!!! I'm going to advise everyone to come in here to read it.

appyday
08-29-2007, 12:33 AM
I will post later I have an appointment..I wanted to say..I have not told you all this but Roger has had laminitis since April fighting on and off...he is on the all beet pulp diet..well was

GeorgeGuns
08-29-2007, 04:15 AM
I'm really glad more of this information is coming out. There are a lot of factors that contribute to laminitis, and the more we know the better we can avoid it.

pnalley
08-29-2007, 05:55 PM
Shelly with his HyPP how are you managing his feeding? Now you have two challenges to overcome.

BTW, I'm really sorry he's having problems.

appyday
08-29-2007, 06:42 PM
Shelly with his HyPP how are you managing his feeding? Now you have two challenges to overcome.

BTW, I'm really sorry he's having problems.

He WAS on no hay but beet pulp but I had to redo that...I am against the wall..

Abejita
08-29-2007, 09:33 PM
is potassium water soluable..like if you soaked and rinsed hay could he have it?at least in limited amounts?
And Beet pulp should not cause troubles with his laminitis. I assume you feed him molassas free BP..you can also lower sugars in that by rinsing it,( you can use a collandar, or the basket from a large steamer pot like for shrimp or crabs) then soaking it in a large volume of cold water ( more than it can soak up) for at least two hours ( I soak a bucket in the fridge overnight) then you drain and rinse again to wash away any leached sugars.
BP can sometimes be higher in sugar depending on the manufacturing process.Sometimes more sugar is taken out, sometimes less..

Ok I just went and looked at my hay tests from last year..my timothy/ orchard mix was 1.81% potassium before soaking, after soaking it took it down to 0.42%

appyday
08-30-2007, 02:01 AM
is potassium water soluable..like if you soaked and rinsed hay could he have it?at least in limited amounts?
And Beet pulp should not cause troubles with his laminitis. I assume you feed him molassas free BP..you can also lower sugars in that by rinsing it,( you can use a collandar, or the basket from a large steamer pot like for shrimp or crabs) then soaking it in a large volume of cold water ( more than it can soak up) for at least two hours ( I soak a bucket in the fridge overnight) then you drain and rinse again to wash away any leached sugars.
BP can sometimes be higher in sugar depending on the manufacturing process.Sometimes more sugar is taken out, sometimes less..

Ok I just went and looked at my hay tests from last year..my timothy/ orchard mix was 1.81% potassium before soaking, after soaking it took it down to 0.42%

You got hay down to .42%???????? Yes my beet pulp is .22 non molassas..yes K will come out with soaking..may have to start that..you had ALOT of good information for me he was getting 8 qts (soaked amount) 3 X day...my hay tested a couple years ago orchardgrass 3rd cutting at 3.52 (YIKES)

Roger needs to try to be under 1% a day and I cant do that with hay..thanks for the help..I may have to call you after my hay tests come back..

Abejita
08-30-2007, 02:21 AM
yup..call if you need to..I might not have the answers..but I bet we can find 'em!!

appyday
08-30-2007, 02:38 AM
yup..call if you need to..I might not have the answers..but I bet we can find 'em!!

Let me get my hay results..he has had NO fits on 3 flakes (light flakes) of fescue a day and I have not started his meds back either...

TrueStepPaso
08-30-2007, 07:32 PM
Okay....I've got a slight problem with this study....

First of all, besides the fact that they induced laminitis into healthy, lean, young ponies & then euthanized them to dissect them, they mentioned THIS ----->There was no evidence of gastrointestinal involvement. Previous focus on maintaining stable populations of fermentative micro-organisms in the hind gut should be re-evaluated in light of this new research. After they mentioned THIS--->Laminitis was induced in healthy, lean, young ponies by prolonged (up to 72 hours) administration of insulin via euglycemic clamp. !!!!!!
This ticks me off a little because horses don't ingest fructan through osmosis into their bloodstream! They EAT it!!!
Here's where our info came from...ppl inducing laminitis through a ---->
Euglycemic Clamp
Maintenance of a constant blood glucose level by perfusion or infusion with glucose or insulin. It is used for the study of metabolic rates (e.g., in glucose, lipid, amino acid metabolism) at constant glucose concentration.
And then telling us they are pretty much perplexed that they didn't find any hind gut "involvement"....uh, yeah, because they didn't have a chance to metabolize anything normally through their intestines since they were hooked up to IV's. :roll:

This toxicity they are refering to is the previously believed gastrointestinal's reaction to the overabundance of fructan, and the Matrix Metalloproteinase (MMPs) response.
Here's a brief rundown:
The direction of hoof wall growth is from the coronary band down to the ground. One of the most amazing features of the laminae that attach the hoof wall to the coffin bone is that they are able to adjust in such a way as to allow this growth and yet keep the coffin bone suspended perfectly in place. This is due to MMPs, which are enzymes that maintain and control the necessary ‘remodeling’ of these laminae by precise quantitative release. MMPs influence the inner hoof wall laminae's ‘timed’ separation from the coffin bone to allow this 'growing down' process, therefore it is essential for healthy hoof wall growth that MMPs are meticulously regulated. The MMP release must stop at the correct moment, shutting off the laminae separation progression, so that the laminae rejoin and the coffin bone remains suspended correctly. This miraculous moment in time occurs by the release of another enzyme called “tissue inhibitor”.
The MMP problem with fructans is that they are not metabolized in the small intestine due to the lack of necessary digestive enzymes. Rather the fructans become quickly fermented in the hindgut (colon) resulting in a bacterial population change with a considerable increase in the acidity of the contents of the colon. The bacteria are known as Streptococcus bovis and grow in excess at the expense of the healthy colon bacteria (Enterobacter species). This bacterial exchange along with the rise in acidity damages the hindgut lining, releasing toxins into the bloodstream. When these toxins reach the laminae attached to the inner hoof wall, they trigger an uncontrolled release of MMPs, initiating a laminitic episode that separates the laminae suspending the coffin bone.

Dr. Chris Pollit is a leading authority in the study of laminitis, and he is also located in Qeensland, Australia.

I really like Dr. Bowker's work....he's another leading authority at the top in studies on laminitis.

Abejita
08-30-2007, 08:56 PM
I saw another study ( i would have to find it again..I will look this weekend) that showed fructan did NOT cause laminitis unless given in very large doses..I do not remember if it was done through feeding or what method.
Yes this study shows no hind gut involvement..which helps to show that in some horses its the INSULIN in the bloodstream....and not just the horse having a problem with digesting the sugars/.starches or having some digestive 'incident' like from say breaking into the feed room or eating something toxic or retained placenta etc etc

GeorgeGuns
08-31-2007, 05:18 PM
Thank you Abbie, I totally missed the administration method, sure does make a difference.

motorgypsy
09-01-2007, 03:36 AM
The entire point of administering the sugar and insulin the way they did was to find out if the ponies would get laminitis without hind gut involvement. This doesn't eliminate the hindgut as a "participant" in a horse getting laminitis. What it does is prove that a horse CAN get laminitis without hindgut involvement. It was previously speculated that they could not or did not. They have now proved that they can get laminitis strictly from blood sugar and insulin levels being elevated from any source or by any means.

Now we need to see a study that proves or disproves the idea that the hindgut alone CAN elevate sugar and insulin levels to the point of causing laminits and secondly does the hindgut have any involvement at all in elevating the sugar and insulin levels.

TrueStepPaso
09-04-2007, 07:30 PM
I'm still having a hard time with thinking that the hindgut has absolutely NO involvement in the digestion of sugars.

Abejita
09-04-2007, 09:50 PM
yes the hindgut is very important in digestion/absorbtion and/or overload of sugars and starches but they wanted IN THIS STUDY to show how easily some horses are affected..so when these 'sensitive' horses eat certain foods ,the sugars/starches can go right to the blood stream from the stomach...before the hindgut..just like when a diabetic person gets low sugar and they drink orange juice or eat a candy bar..they dont have to wait for the whole digestion process to happen before that sugar hits the blood stream

motorgypsy
09-05-2007, 06:26 AM
That wasn't the point of the study. The point was that regardless of HOW the sugar and insulin levels are increased, the horse will develop laminitis.

There was an idea previously that the hindgut digestion was the sole cause of laminitis. This study has proved that this is not true. That no matter where the sugar was absorbed and the insulin levels elevated, that the horse got laminitis.