Consul GD "VIDEO"

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Great Horse! Courtesy from SUSCABALLOS.COM

http://www.suscaballos.com/descargas/consul1.wmv

[Finogirl]

Great Videos Felix !

Can you please tell me what the difference in gait is the Trote Galope and the Pura, I already know what the Trocha is.

Thank you !

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Amanda do you speak Spanish?

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

The Colombian Paso Horses consist of 4 different modalities!

1. Paso Fino
2 Trocha Pura
3 Trocha Galope
4 Trote Galope

There has been numerous THREADS on the same!, ALL ending in a very confusing interpretations!

But! I will try to explain what FOR US, COLOMBIANS! the proper gait for each modality, and I am sure you will be able to see it for what it is!

Saludos!

[Finogirl]

Thank you. I am ashamed to say that I like most English people do not know another language and it's very lazy of us/me. Although I did find that I could understand and get by in Italian. Spanish is not readily taught in English schools like it is in the US.

Please explain as well as you can and I'll tell you if I don't understand..is that ok ??;)

[pasosx3]

Felix: Thank you for sharing that video of Consul GD. Very quick and consistent. Wish I could've heard the Board.

Finogirl: There are many people out there that can explain (technically) the gaits better than I can, so I won't. However, be careful who you listen to because I have found that there is/are a lot of confusion on the part of Americans between a Paso Fino Paso horse that trochas (and doesn't do the paso fino gait) and a Colombian Pure Trocha Paso horse (Trocha Pura). I've ridden both and they are WORLDS apart! A Paso Fino that trochas IS NOT a Trocha Pura horse! Felix: How am I doing? Anyway....you might want to check out Diego Bravo's book "Science and Art of the Paso Fino Horse". He briefly explains the differences in the later chapters. Good Luck and don't feel bad if you get confused, it is confusing.

[Candice Burger]

Well, that's because we've got too many who don't know paso fino very well but seem to think they need to know all there is about all the breeds to know paso or to know about paso fino gait.

I'd be confused too. :confused:;)

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Ok! That sounded like a New York City Cab Driver!........http://bestsmileys.com/darwin/2.gif

[Candice Burger]

Very cleanly said and still made my point. As far as I'm concerned the problem with gait is people don't take the time to learn it to begin with. There's plenty of gaited breeds in the USA. Maybe the problem is the others aren't as "pure" in their modality as they should be and perhaps the paso fino and trocha are.

I think under the new admin, I'm going to go back to my 1/2 sentence phraseology. Saves me allot of time. Anyone who wants to split hairs, spend weeks on the meaning of "is" can do it without me.

Before I revert back to my old self: Great video of Consul and very much appreciated. Beautiful horses.

[Finogirl]

Ok, now I'm REALLY confused. So what you are saying is that there is 2 different types of Trocha, one pure and one not....lost me already I'm afraid.

[Kerry W]

nada.

[Finogirl]

Ok, but does that mean that the movement is different or that they execution of the movement is different. Rather like the difference to a ballroom dancer and a ballerina doing a piroette they both do the same movement but one is a bit more elegant.

I'm fishing here ???

[pasosx3]

Hi Finogirl: It is confusing. Just as their are differences in the quality of the paso fino gait within Paso Fino horses, there are differences in the quality of gait in the diagonal Paso horses. But, there is more to it with regards to the Pure Trocha horses.

I don't know if this will help or not but I thought of this today as a way to describe what I think contributes to a lot of the confusion about trocha, etc. What I'm talking about is a conceptual and not technical description. I hope this helps and that is addresses your previous questions. If it doesn't, then just ignore it. Here goes:

It's an ANALOGY: I was born in the USA and both my parents are of Northern European descent. My native language in English. I speak (a little ) Spanish. But, just because I speak Spanish, I am not a Latina. I will never ever be a Latina. As much as I would like to be a Latina, I will never be one because my parents are not Latino. I may even become extremely fluent in Spanish and I may even prefer to speak Spanish all the time, but I will never be a true, authentic, Latina girl. People may mistake me for a Latina girl because I speak Spanish, but I will never be a Latina because my parents, and their parents, etc are not Latino.

Where am I going with this? Well, here goes: A Paso Fino horse will never be a Pure Trocha (Trocha Pura) horse. A Paso Fino horse has Paso Fino parents. A Paso Fino horse might know how to trocha and he might even do it very well. He might even prefer to trocha, but he is not and never will be a Pure Trocha horse. He is still a Paso Fino. The word trocha is the name of a gait, just like paso fino is the name of a gait. But, Pure Trocha (Trocha Pura) is the name of the breed, just like Paso Fino is also the name of the breed. Likewise, a Pure Trocha horse has Pure Trocha parents....So, there are two separate breeds but they may each be able to do the others' gait, but that won't make them become the other breed, they will always be the breed they were born into. So, just like I will never be a Latina, despite speaking Spanish, because my parents are not Latino, a Paso Fino horse will never be a Pure Trocha horse, even though he may perform the trocha gait, because his parents are not Pure Trocha.

[Finogirl]

THANK YOU !!!...yes that does make sense. Can you also explain what the Trote Galope is if you would.

[motorgypsy]

I've seen them in person at Mundial at Tampa several years ago so I can only share my impression of them. They do a diagonal gait - 2 beat trot - but with great exaggeration and elevation and slowly and smoothly. It is amazing to watch. And they are larger and more muscular than the paso fino, great arched neck, huge butt, heavily muscled, very beautiful. They execute the gallop the same way - in slow motion almost with great elevation, slowly and smoothly. They remind me of a carousel horse that has come alive. Truly a joy to watch - art in motion.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

And also lets keep in mind that although is called "Galope" is really a collected canter.

CCC gait sound"

Paso Fino- TACA TACA TACA TACA
TROCHA - TRAS TRAS TRAS TRAS
TyG- in trote- TAS TAS TAS TAS when in Galope (collected canter) ca-tor-se ca-tor-se

On the Galope (Collected Canter) is very Natural! you do not have to teach like we do with other breeds......


Saludos!



Saludos!

[motorgypsy]

I knew that:v: But it's not just collected - it's slow and exaggerated. Lots of WOW factor.

I actually have a small hand carved wooden statue of a horse my son bought that was carved by one of the porters (gate guardians) of our apartment in Colombia. I was looking at it the other day and all the sudden it hit me - it's a carving of a trote galope horse. I'll have to take a photo of it and post it.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

MG! can wait for the picture!

Saludos!

[Pasogirlz]

Ok, now I'm REALLY confused. So what you are saying is that there is 2 different types of Trocha, one pure and one not....lost me already I'm afraid.


Ok, Pura Trocha means the horse only performs Trocha (in the ring).
The Trocha Galope means they perform Trocha AND Galope, which is really a canter. ;)
When a Paso Fino performs trocha it is slightly different than a Pura Trocha or Trocha Galope.
It is very difficult to explain that part in words. It was something I had to see, hear, and experience for myself to understand. Before that, like you...it was a mystery in my mind. Reading all the posts on the internet in the world about the topic doesn't really give you a clear answer.
I had to see/hear a Paso Fino go over the board in trocha, and then see/hear a Pura Trocha horse go over right after that, and then it was much clearer to me.

[pasosx3]

Finogirl: I'm not ignoring you, I apologize, it's been crazy busy here and I'm getting ready to head out on Vacation for a few weeks. I'll reply when I get back, but in the meantime, have you checked out the ATTA (American Trocha and Trote Association) website? www.usatta.org (I think). Gotta go now tho.

[Finogirl]

Thanks everyone, I am slowly getting it I think and I will check out the website = thank you !!!

[pasosx3]

Hi Finogirl: I am just now getting "dug out" from stuff from last year. I agree that a Pure Trocha horse doing a trocha gait really needs to be experienced in order to understand the difference. I am still blown away when I ride my new Pure Trocha mare, Chapolera. The feel of the trocha gait is worlds apart from the feel of a Paso Fino doing a trocha gait.

To talk about the other diagonals, Trote and Galope and Trocha and Galope. I won't get into the technical stuff about the gait because other's already have. All I want to say about the other diagonal paso horses is that they are not "pure" breeds yet from what I can tell. What I mean is that a Trote and Galope horse may or may not have 2 parents that are Trote and Galope. The designation of what the horse is called is not done until the horse is older and the horse has had the chance to demonstrate which gait (or modality) it seems to naturally prefer. I personally find this confusing, but understandable because the "breeds" are still evolving and being refined. I would hope that one day in the future, a person could breed a Trote and Galope to a Trote and Galope and consistently get a Trote and Galope offspring and likewise with the Trocha and Galope horses.

When I was at the recent Mundial, I spoke with a Colombian breeder of diagonal paso horses and we discussed this very topic. He, too, wishes to see the horses go in that direction as well. I find all of this very interesting. It is an exciting time to be involved in these fabulous horses! Hope this helps and sorry for taking so long to share my thoughts with you.

[Finogirl]

Thank you for sharing that with me, I think I am slowly getting it...so much to learn.!!

[Soltera]

I've seen them in person at Mundial at Tampa several years ago so I can only share my impression of them. They do a diagonal gait - 2 beat trot - but with great exaggeration and elevation and slowly and smoothly. It is amazing to watch. And they are larger and more muscular than the paso fino, great arched neck, huge butt, heavily muscled, very beautiful. They execute the gallop the same way - in slow motion almost with great elevation, slowly and smoothly. They remind me of a carousel horse that has come alive. Truly a joy to watch - art in motion.

Whoa, now! Sounds like passage/piaffe to me. This is the Trote Galope?