What is the difference between TROT, TROCHA, TROTE?

[paragon]

If someone would please explain this to me I would aprreciate it. Is it true that trote is the same as trot? I have been told that if you have a trocha horse that when that are put into gait it will be quicker and smoother.:confused:

[Soltera]

Trot is English for trote; trote is Spanish for trot: yes, same word. Your second question is MUCH harder to answer, but there are those who are up to it!

And, being that this is your first post, may I be ther first to extend a hearty Welcome!!!

[Soltera]

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[Soltera]

...and, meanwhile....

Here are some previous threads dealing with your second question, paragon:

http://www.americanpasofinos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2192&highlight=trocha

http://www.americanpasofinos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2339&highlight=trocha

http://www.americanpasofinos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1926&highlight=trocha

and a video

http://www.americanpasofinos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5419&highlight=trocha

Then go back to forums, go to the newbie page and introduce yourself...Or do so right here....there's always room for one more Paso fan!:biggrin:

[Brigitte]

trocha is a fout beat diagonal gait, but with the two diagonal extremities hitting the ground at almost the same time it sounds like a fast 2 beat trot.

[paragon]

Thank you for the explanation. I tried to post a thread on the Newbie but it went to outspace with my info. I have these questions because for years I had Quarter horses and I am confused. I have had Paso Finos for 10yrs now and have just got by. On people telling me instead of learning. I have shown and now trail ride for the most part. I am now trying to study the art of the paso fino. I have never really been interested in the technical aspect until now. I am not trying to be nit picky. But am I hearing correct that trocha is a fast diagonal trot an what would be considered lateral? Bare with me

[Pasogirlz]

Welcome to the forum. Looks like you jumped right in w/a great question.:v:

[motorgypsy]

Welcome! GREAT screen name!

First about trocha. True trocha which is the gait of the trochador of Colombia, a native Colombian diagonal horse, is as Brigitte says - almost a trot. It is done at fino speed - really rapid footfall, hardly moving forward at all. Trochadors seem to be a little larger and stockier than the typical paso fino.

Paso finos have some trochador blood and one famous trochador, Don Danilo could also do perfect paso fino gait.

BUT many paso fino owners will use the term trocha to mean a "resting, somewhat diagonal gait" that many of our paso finos will do when tired and many youngsters will do this as their muscles develop at different rates. It is used as an insult by some implying that your horse does not have the "true gait". Well if your horse is not doing the even paso fino gait this does not mean it can't. It may mean it just doesn't want to on that particular terrain, or after a trim that has changed hoof angles or for a variety of reasons. If you ride your paso fino for fun and the gait is a bit uneven but smooth - who cares. If you are thinking of breeding and an experienced paso fino rider or trainer can't get your horse to gait correctly you might want to rethink the breeding thing although uneven gaited horses have thrown even gaited babies when bred to the right partner.

You asked about what a pacey four beat would be called. I really haven't heard just one term for pacey gait other then - pacey. A long time ago it appears that a little pacey was allowed in the paso fino gait although even was preferred and you wil notice that it is described in some literature as lateral. The paso fino gait is NOT lateral but can look lateral to some. But pacey or uneven four beat with the legs on the same side hitting closer in time than the diagonal legs is another gait some paso finos can do that again is not the correct paso fino gait. This problem is also seen with regularity in some show paso finos and frequently horses who do this will be excused from a class just as the trotty or so called but not really trocha ones will be.

So trocha or pacey is fine for trails and fun. You don't want to breed a paso fino that doesn't prefer the even four beat that is neither lateral nor diagonal (or both) unless the horse has a 5000 word vocabulary or something totally stupendous to offer to the breed.

So - if someone tells you on a trail ride that your horse is doing trocha - just smile and say thank you. It's really not doing true trocha. Just a resting gait that's a bit uneven. I bet if you lift the reins that paso fino will go just as even as a sewing machine immediately.

[Brigitte]

When horses would pace they would say the horses was andoneando. Andonea= pace.
TRocha is not exactly a fast trot, because a trot is a 2 beat gait, trocha is 4 beat. It does sound like a fast trot however. I need to search for videos

[Brigitte]

http://www.onetruemedia.com/shared?p=132cd8f14bbe773bafad62&skin_id=601&utm_source=otm&utm_medium=text_url

Not the best, but you can hear the trocha when they go over the board. These two are the leading champions of trocha on Aruba

[paragon]

Motorgypsy thank you, but I don't recall asking what a pacey four beat would be called. Fortunately I don't have any of these problems. I just wanted it clarified for me. I get confused easily. Brigitte cool video. I appreciate the help. Motorgypsy I think that Randy and I came from florida to ride at the Biltmore with you. What a great ride. My pasos really have made great differences since we trail ride them in the mountains. They love it and so do I. I think what I meant was that I hear people talking about [B]Lateral Gait[/B. Is this when they are talking about pacing?

[stratton]

NAME FOR A PACEY 4BEAT GAIT: I personally call it a broken pace. I have heard it called a stepping pace or slick pace.

Stratton