bosal questions

[crmullen]

Hi, we just adopted a 4 year old gelding, he is green broke. He is as cute as he can be and very nice manners on the ground once you catch him;)

It was suggested that I ride him in a bosal. My frame of reference is western pleasure horses, I have 2 western bosals. When looking at Paso tack the bosal looks more like a western nose band for a tie down.... Is this correct?

Since this little guy is coming here with a few issues. The current plan is to spend a lot of time catching him and just bonding with him. I am looking for any help/suggestion on how to proceed so this will not be train wreck!

Thanks for any and all advise!

Candy

[ErinC]

:18:
to the Board.
where are you located.
is this your first paso?

I started my boy out with this.

http://casadosa.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=369

[SandyMM]

A Paso bosal is a combination of a noseband and a chin strap held on by a headstall. There are a zillion combinations available. I would start easy with a flat noseband and a flat chinstrap and go from there.

There are _many_ discussions about training and tack here on apf.... you can use the search feature in the red bar at the top of every page.... There is also a training forum which may be a good resource.

If you start easy and go from there, you should have a great experience.

Good luck...

[crmullen]

Thanks for the tack link and welcome Erin. Yes this is our first Paso and we are in WI Northwest of Green Bay.

Thanks to Sandy too, for the bosal combo I thought I was missing something:.... This is going to be fun I can just tell! :D

Thanks for the advice
Candy:grayhorse:

[CarolU]

Candy, you might also search on "jaquima" since that is what the bosal is called instead of a hackamore.

It functions quite differently then the western bosal since it has a curb strap that should be adjusted to make contact when the reins are used.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Paso Finos. Penny (Monty) on here lives in Wisconsin also. She might be able to help you locally.

I use the same setup Erin showed. It's a very nice training 'bridle' and has the bit hanger for when they are ready for that next.

[crmullen]

Thanks Carol,

I'm sure you all will tire of my endless questions, so thanks for your all your help. The links are very helpful it's nice to know you have had success in ordering from them.

It's nice to be part of such a nice equine community.

Thanks Again,
Candy

[motorgypsy]

We also have a bosal from casa dosa. Total cost $80 or so for the noseband and the headstall part. It's good quality leather and fits well and I think will hold up well. It is also much more adjustable than some of the others we've bought and fits our very large mare in addition to the other smaller ones.

The show type bit hanger, jaquima combinations with a pisador work quite well and are an excellent design but the stitching rotted out on two that we had and the leather did not hold up too well either so the quality has been variable for us. So be sure to keep the leather treated and don't expose them to a lot of heat and humidity if you try one of these from one of the many sellers of paso fino tack. If you have a local saddle maker you can probably take one to them and get one made out of really high quality leather that will hold up longer or even get one made out of beta biothane for trail use. You can't use the synthetic leathers for show in PFHA.

[Carol Nelson]

Hi Candy! Welcome to the group! All kinds of places to spend your money on these fine ponies! :biggrin:

By the way, if anyone knows where I can get the jointed metal noseband covered in leather (Terry Wallace had one when she visited), drop me a pm, will you????

(maybe I can slip this in under Paula's watchful eye so I don't have to put a sales/trade/wanted post up...LOLOLOL)

[Pasogirlz]

Howdy and welcome to the forum, and the wonderful world of Paso Finos.

Sandy was right, there are a million different combonations availabe when it comes to bosals and chin straps.

I like this nose band a lot, and they are pretty common.
Riley of Kestler tack made this one, and great for special orders also.
http://b7.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00611/75/53/611903557_l.jpg


However....this is the more tradition "jaquima" they are speaking of, and also works great for some horses.

http://b8.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00611/80/41/611891408_l.jpg

[SandyMM]

I don't think you can go wrong for quality and durability if you order from Riley (LOL - not a paid ad! (I wish!))

Here's a link to his website (http://www.kesterfarmstack.com/) - he encourages you to talk to him directly to be sure you get exactly what you need... I like Riley's because he makes his himself and I like that! Not that many people left who can take a hide of leather and end up with finished goods at the end of the day!

There are some excellent Paso tack dealers, but always check the quality of leather tack very carefully.... There's a lot of it out there made with very poor metal and inferior leather that is passed off to unsuspecting/uneducated buyers. Leather fibers should always be very tight, not ragged or layered like cardboard...

[reuben T]

I'm gettin so fed up with the poor quality of some modern "goods" that I've come around to deciding, if it's made out of leather and I'm gonna buy it, it's gonna be hermann oak leather. It aint cheap but it's worth it. Even as thick as it is it has the feel of an oily flexible well tanned leather, quite a contrast to the dry and stiff nature of a much cheaper saddle I got long time ago, that no amount of oil will do much for. cheap leather stuff is so commenly made from some asian stuff that is made to sell but not nessasarily made to be used. And definatly not made to last. last year I bought a saddle made of hermann oak and I love it. next will be a good bridal and a pack rig of the same stuff. (I'm usin a bridal that I got from a mennonite harness shop 20 years ago and it's still good but will need a few more soon)

[CarolU]

English harness leather is top quality too. I have a trainer made by Yancy that I just LOVE. But, I understand he is no longer in business, or I would have directed her there. I actually like it better then the Casa Dosa one.

[Mellifluous]

Riley Kester makes some lovely top quality stuff. I think he has a website, something like Kester Farms?

[crmullen]

Hello,

Thanks to everyone for the info, this is great! We picked him up on Sunday and his settling in quite nice. I have attached a photo of him, hopefully it will make it:confused:.

Lori, your boy is gorgeous, thanks for the help on getting on the board.

[Pasogirlz]

Congratulations. Very nice color pattern on your new boy.
You must keep us posted on your first outing. And let us know if you have any more questions.

[jodiTowne]

Nice looking horse! Congratulations.

[Terry Wallace]

Carol N..that bosal I have was not jointed...it is thin maleable metal completely covered in leather...
it has thin metal inside that you can bend to fit any width of "horse nose".... it would be considered "medium" control, as opposed to a bosal with a rigid metal bar inside and covered with leather ...that would be more of a "harsher" type bosal.

The bosal I took to Texas is 1-1/4 wide by 9 inches long.
It has a leather "sleeve" the metal is incased in and a rubber bottom where it contacts the nose. The "sleeve" is sewn to the flat rubber bottom.

Casa Dosa used to sell them...its where I got mine,(probably ten years ago)...they don't have them any more. Now they only have the more rigid metal insert bosals.

Some things that could be used for that metal insert I'm currently "experimenting" in making them with is:
Banding metal srap..used to band boxes with.
Flat elecrical line...like is used to wire a house (can't think of the name of it) but I bought several thicknesses and widths to try (by the foot) from my local Home Depot store.

The leather I got at Tandy Leather store along with nylon lacing and a stitch hole puncher. The rubber I will use will likely be some type of fire hose that is flat and soft.
Rings for the ends I got at the farm supply store here...