Batalla...con't with Guamani & Kofressi Pix

[Pasogirlz]

Batalla-(Dulce Sueno son)

As I have been told, back in the day...there were two great island stallions. Batalla and Guamani. The island was split over which horse was the best, and those that liked Batalla, breed only Batalla. Vice versa for Guamani. (We can cover Guamani next).

http://www.2hottotrot.com/data/500/medium/BATALLA.jpg

I am sure Miss SandyMM can tell us more about him than I can.

[stella]

Yes, but eventually, almost everyone started what became the famous, Batalla/Guamani cross, as they were also very complimentary!

Batalla was more a Barb type, sinewy flatter muscle, a more narrow horse, but very good flat bone in the leg, high headset, lots of brio, and a very quick, delicate, VERY fino tight step....in PR, the lightness of step is very important, the horse must move as if it never bent a blade of grass...anyway, he passed these traits.

Guamani was more the "conformation" horse, and Andalusian in type, more muscular, rounded, lots of substance, very amenable temperament, but not as "hot".....but please remember, TRUE brio is NOT a WIRED horse, it is a horse that will VOLUNTEER 100-101% to work, and very much want to please its rider/handler.....so a horse can have common sense, and not seem "hot," but still be considered to have brio. Horses with TRUE brio work out of self-confidence - a somewhat cocky attitude, NOT a fearful one.....so yes, there is a "pleasure" brio that's not the same as "fino" brio....does that make sense?

Anyway, many times in these crosses, it would nick out very well- the best of each horse! Batalla was the one known for the finest of gait, and so most of the famous showhorses carry his blood, especially best known is Kofresi, and in him you can still see the strong influence of Batalla. In the US, perhaps the best known Batalla-blooded producer was Oasis, his get had alot of brio and very quick, finely gaited....

[Pasomom]

Wow Stella, thanks for the history lesson! I love it when someone has good history on these guys!

P. S. I notice you are not signed up on the forum........did you realize there are two seperate sign ups? Front page, and the forum page.

Anyway, Welcome to our website! We are lucky to get some knowledgable people on board to help with alot of the "lessons" :D
We are working hard to provide as much knowledge in as easy a format as possible. We appreciate all the help we can get from all our members.

Keep up the good work and thanks again.

[Pasogirlz]

Ok Stella...ya beat me to the punch, I wasn't gonna tell about the crosses until we got to Kofresi. :razz:

But seriously thanks for the info! Just what we needed. 8-)

[El Indio Elegante]

thanks you guys for doing this stuff i really need to learn about my stallions and bloodlines. I mean i know alot of the famous ones but not that many that have died all that stuff

[Pasomom]

Here is some more information about Batalla's offspring. I talked with Barb Preiss and here is what she had to say:

I don't have any pics but I do know that Triunfo was one of the finest sons of Batalla that existed in my mind. When Triunfo bred Maria Luisa, Frio Viento was one of the fine results. Triunfo sired the double Grand in fino ,Frio Viento. Frio's full brother Camarad T became a national champion in fino. La Poco Duquesa won several championships in the Fl State championships which were at that time like a mini nationals. Afortunada T was a double State Champion. The good thing about all this was they won with owners on top - not trainers they rode against.
Triunfo was a full brother to the dam of Kofresi. Her name was LaBruja.

Barb

[Pasogirlz]

Photos of Guamani

http://www.2hottotrot.com/data/500/medium/GUAMANI.jpg

http://www.2hottotrot.com/data/500/medium/Guamani2.jpg

[Pasogirlz]

This is Kofressi

http://www.2hottotrot.com/data/500/medium/Kofresi1961.jpg

http://www.2hottotrot.com/data/500/medium/Kofresi1961_Grand_Champion.jpg

http://www.2hottotrot.com/data/500/medium/Kofresi_1_.jpg

[SandyMM]

Here's a collage of Kofresi and his son Antares - can you tell there's a family resemblance? ;-)
http://www.arrowheadpasofinos.com/Resources/KofresiAntares.jpg

[Pasomom]

Yes, I would say there is definately a family resemblance! Nice Pix.

[pnalley]

Enclosed is a photo of Frio Viento, a son of Triunfo (as Barb says the best son of Batalla). I also had a daughter of Triunfo. Awesome mare. I was also blessed to ride Guaminita (sp?) a daughter of Guamini. She looked very much like the photo's posted of Guamini but more refined in the head.

When I have time I'll look thru my old kodaks for photo's of Triunfo, I may also have Maria Luisa. And a few more.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/pnalley1/incomingphotos001.jpg

[Pasogirlz]

Nice photo, thanks for sharing. 8-)

[PasoJoy]

I love the PPR's, and someday hope to own one, or at least one with mostly Pr blood...
I am researching a horse now whose dam was 'Lady Cassata T', who seems to me (I'm no expert :-? ) to be PPR...he sure has the confo of what is described of Batalla!! (very narrow and refined)
http://www.pasoregistry.com/db/Profile.asp?ID=75983
but the sire is unknown....there are only 2 offspring shown for her, one of whom is 'Chocolata Kulau IG LC RV'....the same woman who owned him owned this horse with 'unknown' sire(she has the initials 'IG'....and I'm wondering if possibly the sire of 'Chocolata' could be the 'unknown sire' as well....this listed offspring and the 'unknown' are a year apart in age) anyone know of a breeder, perhaps in MA, years ago that may have owned 'Chocolata's' sire? Maybe Barb, you would know where 'Rascalello de Vez' went to ??? :smile:[b][/b[b]

[pnalley]

The "T"suffix comes from Leroy Thompson. He had what has to be considered the most impressive herd of PPR paso's ever assembled in the USA. Triunfo, was his, he was the sire of the palomino "Frio Viento"posted above.

[pnalley]

Just looked at the pedegree on Lady Cassada T. I have ridden her dam Miss T many times. In fact I was going to buy her but she failed the vet check, due to a calcium deposit on a rear fetlock. She was a Chestnut with a blaze and could gait up a storm. I also rode her dam Buckles. Buckles was a little buckskin mare that was an awesome cow horse. Leroy Thompson hearded cattle with her and roped off her. She was a really game mare with loads of heart.

[PasoJoy]

Thanks Paula!
I sent you a pm, hope you got it, I've been tring to fix this computer, but not having any luck....
Do you know where Leroy Thompson was located?

[pnalley]

Leroy was in Brandon Florida. He had some age on him when I met him and thats been 30 yrs ago. I feel certain he gone by now.

[Trudy]

The last I heard was that Rascalello de Vez had been gelded but I am not 100% sure of that. I looked on PasoRegistry and according to that he had one daughter who we own. She is wonderful. Her name is Ansia.
Here is a picture of Judy riding her.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b47/sundancerpasofinos/Judy-Ansia_2093.jpg

[Barb P]

Lt. Col. Lou Worley imported this herd to the states in 1967. Triunfo with the twelve mares came in to Mc Dill Air Force Base in Tampa. the Air force shipped the Worleys back to Germany and the herd was put on Leroy's sisters 2000 acres ranch to breed and survive. We worked many a cow out there with all the women on paso finos. My goal was to buy as many of Leroy's herd as my nurse's wages could buy. I owned many Triunfo daughters , two Frio daughters, and later Senor was introduced to the herd. He bred the Triunfo daughters . I had a black stallion that was Afortunada T bred back to her sire.Triunfo. His name was Kaluha. The dam is the same as John Henry's.
The only time I saw Buckles was when she was 31 years old and had her last baby Bonnie by old Senor. Miss T was a little roadster. She was at Sarah's ranch last time I rode her. I do not know about Rascalleo de Vez. I just know he was reported to be so very nice. He left as a weanling. Eve de Vez owned by Debbie Selhost is a full sister. Barb Preiss

[Bonnie M]

Barb, do you have pictures of Poquito Senor? What about El Rubio?

My gelding Marsiano de Terapia's dam was Verano Diosa, El Rubio's daughter.

[Barb P]

I have pics of Senor but may take me ahile to find them. He was reported to be the very smoothest Paso Fino people said they had ridden. He was put down shortly after I rode my first Paso in 1976. (However, in the late 60's I rode a little scrawny stallion that was a light buckskin and I am sure that was a Paso Fino.) They said something about him being very expensive and special as to the price they put on him.

I don't have good pics of Senor but they are good enough to tell he was beautiful and well conformed. I will find them and post them for you or e-mail them to you. The posting part, Trudy will do next weekend possible when she gets back from Naples, Fl.
Bonnie, I owned several Senor daughters. The first paso fino I bought was Reina de Guamani. She is now owned by Leila Lindsay on this BB. She will soon be 30 and I hear she is still introducing people to Paso Finos. You can see her on my web on the Memory page. She is the Fl State Champion in fino over Kera que Tal that was the Grand in fino as well as a Hall of Fame inductee. I owned Julia T. and gave her away for riding at 26 years old. She did not produce after age 26 but looked around ten years old.
Another Senor daughter I owned was La Puma T. She was out of a Triunfo daughter. I could never admire a mare more than La Puma T. She is dam of Leo de Vez owned by Lindsay and Ed on this BB. Leo has put himself in a place of admiration in that he baby sits his sons and is still competing in Endurance rides at age 23 or more. Leo de Vez should be sought after for his outstanding dam and her attributes. Eminente de Mile also has Candida Real as his dam. She was a Senor daughter. I forgot I owned her too. I sold her to Michele Branson in Illinois as a top broodmare. I can't remember how many babies she had and she lived to around 30 years old. Riosa , Candida's dam , was reported to have 18 babies and 17 of them were fillies. Juarez , owned by Leonard and Michelle Branson was her only son. Maybe Michelle can post his pic . Barb
The Senor lines are just gentle but go forever and live to please. If you want pics faster than this weekend I possible can find them, scan them and send privately before the weekend for Trudy to paste. Barb Preiss

[Barb P]

I only saw El Rubio one time. I was told that everyone in Lithia area here in Fl. bred their mare to him no matter what breed to get that gait. There are three offspring registered. Chamaco was an excellent gelding and was ridden and shown by Daniel ( Chaguin) Figueroa. He was a light Palomino and very beautful. I also saw Montequilla , his daughter , show a lot in Bella Forma, as a weanling. She too was very light and beautiful. I never saw your gelding. His dam Buckles was a Cacique daughter. I saw her right before and after she had her last baby , Bonny, at 31 years old. If you want to know more about the dam of Verana , you can private email me at cwpreiss@aol.com. Barb

[Carol Nelson]

Barb, you are a wealth of information on these Pasos that we love so much! Thank you again for all your contributions. I own a few of the old bloodlines and it is always interesting to me to read your posts!

[Barb P]

Paula, I am hoping we can get together sometime. I never saw Guamanita but owned her daughter by Triunfo and her granddaughters. I know Sarah Anello (Brozak) owned Miss T and is probably was most likely to have named Lady Cassada T. I will look up her pedigree and see. I would love to have a pic of Triunfo and more pics of Maria Luisa. I worked hard as I could to be able to salvage Leroy's herd that was really Lou Worley's herd that was carefully chosen by not only loodlines as well as the rides and very accurate conformation as well as exceptional heads of beauty.

I personally go stron Batalla and if in PR would have remained Batalla even tho I Guamani lines as well. The reason is look at Batalla even in these pics and look at the balance of the conformation. Batalla has a clean neck and his rear end is strong. Guamani in my opinion was a little havier on the front end and slight on the back quarters. It followed thru myhorses too so they were always bred to the strong bred Batalla to get the motor in the rear .
Of course You all know I bought Coral LaCE and Corito and Monarca at the same time. Coral LaCE was the a Colombian horse that could breed to the purest of Puerto Rican mares and not "mix" the gait. Barb Preiss

[stella]

I have a grandaughter of Riosa, out of her daughter Dragonita, but by Cohete que tal(a Top TEn Col Hilachas son), that is large, still gaits in the field, Barbara. Age 26 and due to foal again, have a LOVELY coming 2yo colt out of her. Is the size coming from dam's line, as Cohete was about 13.3h, and she's 14.3h.

[Barb P]

Stella, you are one that I would love to live by so we could share the talks as well. This is good that we both "talk" on this BB so that others hear too, tho. I tried slway to stay with the original Worley herd that came over on the boat in 1967. Next time Sandy comes, I will have her post that article. I can't remember ever seeing Dragonita. I saw her son or grandson El Titan, by Senor win the 1980 National performance or pleasure championship class tho at Stone Mountain.
I believe Rosalia McWilliams also mentioned her as the big black mare. I will see that Guala, Maria Luisa and the Mc Dill Air Force picture of Triunfo and the mares coming in from PR in 1967 gets posted. Barb

[stella]

Well, my mare was bred by Margaret Stewart, who has owned some other pretty top PR mares, too. I forgot about El Titan, thanks for reminding me!
I would love to know more about Riosa's background, that size and breadth......
Yeah, now if I could get a grant to write an American Paso History book, I could spend time going thru all my stuff, and then coming down and organizing yours too......I have a sneaky suspicion it'd take MORe than one volume to do something like that....but its REALLY so important that we at least post on forums, to pass on the info of horses we've known and seen, to make the names on pedigrees come to life again....its SO important to good breeding to have as much info as possible on horses in the pedigrees.