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01-16-2009, 03:00 PM
Cindy 01-15-2009 03:21 PM

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Questions about diagonals

Lori, these are the questions to which I was refering:


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1- Do you interbreed your Trocha, Trote and Paso Fino horses?
2- If so, why?
3- If not, why?
4- If so, do you interbreed ALL of the different "modalities". For example, do you breed Paso Fino to Trote? Or only to Trocha? Or only Trote to Trocha?
5- If you do interbreed, what do you expect to get in the offspring and can you reliably predict the "modality" of the offspring? Or is it just a crap shoot?
I don't think they are open ended. They are fairly straightforward. If I can get answers to them, I will have some follow-up questions. Thanks.

CarolU 01-15-2009 11:09 PM

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Very clear Cindy. I look forward to reading these answers too.

motorgypsy 01-15-2009 11:18 PM

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I have already requested a precise number of each type of diagonal currently registered with ATTA and confepaso (alive as of now) and how many were in the recent show in the us and of the total, how many actually were kept in the class as having correct gait (in other words were not dq'd

so far i have not received an answer:confused:

Lori Perez 01-16-2009 04:46 AM

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I thought I would share the information I have sent to Thomas

Emailed to Motorgypsy 11/15/09 11:25pm

Answer: Like said in my earlier email I don’t have that information (complied) at that time for you. However, I can tell you most of the ATTA registered horses are in the SE of the USA. The majority are in Florida. Of the ones in Florida the percentage of Trote y Galope would be around 90%. I just have gotten in 3 more registrations so right now we are at 90 horses registered under ATTA (these don’t include the ones -correction -registered with other Confepaso registries).


PS – We do have breeders located in the Ocala area, Orlando, Tampa, Pensacola, Sarasota and Miami areas.


Lori Perez, Board Member
American Trote & Trocha Association
17050 SW 20 Avenue Road
Ocala, FL 34473

352-454-5880 Cell

http://www.usatta.org


-----Original Message-----
From: motorgypsy [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: How many of each modality are currently registered ATTA?



Yes I have been to your website and look forward to more information as soon as it becomes available. For example how many total trote y galope horses are registered ATTA at this time and how many are in FLorida?

Thank you.

ATTA wrote:

Dear Thomas: Thank you so much for your interest in the breed. Have you visited our website? Have you gotten any of the E-newsletter? If not, please visit our website at http://www.usatta.org and submit your request to get signed up for the newsletter. I think you will enjoy the information and certainly all the great pictures of these noble horses.

I will try to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge. One issue is we are currently in the process of switching over all our files on to a new data base so I am at a big disadvantage.

Sincerely,

Lori Perez, ATTA



-----Original Message-----
From: motorgypsy [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: How many of each modality are currently registered ATTA?



If you receive a duplicate please forgive me. I'm having email server problems.

Q:We are long time admirers of the beautiful Colombian diagonals and wondered just how many are currently registered in your association in each category right now.

A:The majority are Trote y Galope. I would have to say around 90%, then Trocha y Galope and a few Trocha (Pure)

Q:Are they also registered in Confepaso or do you have some that are just ATTA registered?

A:There many horses here in the USA that are not registered yet with ATTA (still with their other Confepaso registry) We do have some that are just registered with ATTA and most are registered with both.

Q:I would assume the parents would be Confepaso registered if the offspring is just ATTA???

A:Well no, not anymore. It used to be that way, in the beginning, but since there are horses being born here in the USA out of horses already registered with ATTA we do have some that are direct descendants of ATTA registered parents. We have approximately 20 foals on the ground in 2009 that will need to be registered with ATTA.

Q:Do you have a listing by state available so that we could take some friends to go see some of them?

A:No not yet (Like the PFHA directory). I do have a membership database now that can be sorted by zip code, state, etc. I would have to let you know if there are breeders in the area you would like to visit.


Thank you so much.



Thomas Strom

Lori Perez 01-16-2009 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 198265)
Lori, these are the questions to which I was refering:


Quote:
1- Do you interbreed your Trocha, Trote and Paso Fino horses?
2- If so, why?
3- If not, why?
4- If so, do you interbreed ALL of the different "modalities". For example, do you breed Paso Fino to Trote? Or only to Trocha? Or only Trote to Trocha?
5- If you do interbreed, what do you expect to get in the offspring and can you reliably predict the "modality" of the offspring? Or is it just a crap shoot?
I don't think they are open ended. They are fairly straightforward. If I can get answers to them, I will have some follow-up questions. Thanks.
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Cindy - I will have to finish up tomorrow. Getting too late for me. I think Becky does cover most of the questions very well. Most of the breeders practice what Becky is doing. I can quickly tell you the ATTA encourages the breeders to breed within the modality of a diagonal.


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sporthorse
01-16-2009, 03:05 PM
pasosx3 01-05-2009 06:53 PM

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Is Paso Fino a Breed or Modality?

Whether a person (or Organization) believes the Paso Fino is a Breed of horse or a modality of the Paso Horse seems, to me, to be the underlying issue of many recent discussions.

If, and once, this becomes clear in an Organization's (or person's) mind, then, the direction and future of the Organization will declare itself.

So....is the Paso Fino a Breed of horse or is the Paso Horse the Breed with paso fino being one of its modalities?

Pasogirlz 01-05-2009 08:20 PM

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Excellent topic!

My answer is C...both A and B. :biggrin:

Siggy 01-05-2009 08:20 PM

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Depends on who you ask;)
Some people and organizations in PR believe that only the Pure PR horse is a true paso fino and it's name as a breed is because of the gait (fine walk = paso fino). Others in PR breed with Colombian lines and are involved with organizations that believe differently

Colombia has Paso de Colombiano, which has multiple modalities that they breed and compete successfully in the divisions that they are best suited for.

in the USA, our writings are closer to the horse as described in PPR beliefs BUT we have introduced all of the blood of others including Peruvian Paso.
It is called a breed by our association, and that the gait is of the same name but now our gaits do not match the breed standards set forth. Basically we did not know enough to use the gait and blood of the correct horses to perpetuate the gait as described.

Pasogirlz 01-05-2009 08:47 PM

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Dr. Rolando Colon Nebot just published a book about the Paso horse modalities. It is excellent, all in Spanish but explains all about the different modalities and uses quotes and videos of Colombian and Pure Puerto Rican Paso Finos to describe the Paso Fino modality.

You can find the book at Melba Figueroa’s school of equestrian art.


baileyholc 01-05-2009 09:56 PM

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Interesting. I have always thought the Paso Fino was a seperate breed from the Peruvian Paso, and that Colombian and Puerto Rican were just blood lines between the two.

Cindy 01-05-2009 10:13 PM

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The term Paso Fino is use to describe both a breed and a type of gait depending on the context of how the word is used. The Paso Fino is a breed of horse. The paso fino is speed of the gait that the Paso Fino does. A breed of anything is determined by bloodlines. In some breeds, outcrosses can be made with non-breed blood and the result can be considered to be a part of that breed. To the other extent, an entirely new breed can be made by either breeding horses within a breed who show similar characteristics or by combining the blood of more than one existing breed. But the only way to differenciate one breed from another is by it's blood. The fact that we have a gaited breed does not change that.

And if I hear one more time that the breeders of Paso Finos in this country 30 years ago did not know about the diagonal gaits I am going to vomit on my computer. They did know and they chose to breed the Paso Fino in this country.

Pasogirlz 01-05-2009 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 197720)
And if I hear one more time that the breeders of Paso Finos in this country 30 years ago did not know about the diagonal gaits I am going to vomit on my computer. They did know and they chose to breed the Paso Fino in this country.
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So they DID know what they were doing when they registered all the trocha blooded horses way back when? Good to know. :grayhorse:

Cindy 01-05-2009 10:23 PM

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They registered horses that were papered Paso Finos from their countries of origin. Horses that show the diagonal modalities on their papers from Colombia are not registerable with PFHA. So if you want to blame anyone for registering trocha blood and calling them Paso Finos, you may start in Colombia. They do have a disignation of modality, i.e. breed, on their papers when they come here.

Siggy 01-05-2009 10:24 PM

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Well if they knew, then they set out to deceive and hide information when this association was formed.

Cindy 01-05-2009 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Siggy (Post 197725)
Well if they knew, then they set out to deceive and hide information when this association was formed.
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No, they did not. They set out to breed Paso Fino horses.


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