Top this if you can (bad experience)

[pnalley]

I believe in an earlier post I mentioned my App gelding "Flash" got in an altercation with a hay ring (the type that goes around huge round bales). The horse dang near ripped his head off. He took approx a total of 30 to 40 stiches & staples combined to get him sewn up.

I had an appointment yesterday to have the staples taken out at 5pm. Well I went out to feed at about 4pm and the boy was colicing. Not in horrible pain but most definatly uncomfortable.

When the vet got there I let her know he was not well, we brought him into the barn. She decided to give him a mixture of Rompum/Demosedan(sp?). He has had each one of these by itself, but never in combination. His head went down & he started what sounded like snoring. I asked her if he was OK, she said yes, some horses do that on Demosedan(sp?) about the time she got her arm up his rectum, he staggered hard to the left hitting the stall wall (we were in the isle) then hard right to other side of isle hitting that stall wall. We (vet, student, myself) tried to steady him against the wall. NOT going to happen. He staggered violently from side to side hitting both sides off stalls (my barn isle is 12 ft wide) till he cleared the barn. I had to let him go. He ran through the fence (electric tape) galloped thru the 100 gallion water trough. Between the fence wrapping around his legs & the trough, he went down HARD. Got back up charged thru the woods, than came back towards the barn following his herd mates. I went & caught him. While he was running thru the pasture the vet & assistent were scrambling to get epinephrine and something else. They came running gave him the epi and the narcotic (this was to stop any seizures that might happen) We got him in the barn yard, he broke out in hives & started sweating. But was recovered from the drug OD. Now for the colic. Armed him, cleaned him out, he was dehydrated. So she tubed him, no reflux, pumped water & oil into him & gave banimine. I checked on him through-out the night he was none the worse for wear. My husband checked on him when he got home. After all that, he wount up with a small scrape on his nose, and a scrape on his leg.
I on the other had needed a LARGE glass of wine to calm down.
SCARY!!!!!!!
The best I can describe is trying to handle a 1250lbs drunk on crack. Not pretty. Thank God he's ok, had one board go down in the barn. It is built STURDY.

[songbird]

Thankfully he's ok Paula, I'd be chasing that wine with a double rye/coke hold the ice!

[Nito]

What a day! thats great that he is better. they tubed my mare Candela yesterday she started to look colicky but i walked her for a good 2 hours non stop around the farm and then got all the shots just to find out she is pregnant! lol what a scare.

these past 3 months have been the worst ever for me!

[ASB.Immortality]

OH MY!! I have never heard of the happen. That is absolutely awful! I hope the poor guy is okay, and will be feeling alot better soon!

If it had been me, I would have had to have had a bottle of tequila or corn liquor (A REALLY BIG ONE). I would have been worked up to all end.

[Terry Wallace]

What...only ONE big glass of wine? I'd have required a whole bottle....

Gee whiz... what an ordeal... too many drugs... and sounds like he had the opposite reaction the vet was wanting...as when he realized he was so "compromised"...it freaked him, and he tried to "get away" from how he was feeling the only way he knew how...

I'm so glad he is none the worse for wear, and I wish him a speedy recovery, and I wish you "inner-peace" so that you may not get to stressed over it.

BUT....that sure could have been a terrible situation...I'm so glad he didn't tear out his stitches, or get another wound from his attempt to do something about his condition.... ;-)

[Carol Nelson]

Jim Beam, even! :shock:

Might be a good place to interject that I have noticed that Pasos seem to be more sensitive to drugs than other breeds (even though I know this was an Appy). My "kids" usually only take half a dose of Rampum which usually amounts to about 1 1/2 cc. My vet has learned this after using it on several...it don't take much to put their heads to the ground. :-?
I also have seemed to have more reactions to vaccinations and more strong reactions to lutalyse than those with other breeds. Perhaps just because they are a smaller horse, but I really do believe that they are more sensitive.
From discussing this the other night with other Paso owners...they reported the same thing.

[Monty]

LOL - I would have grabbed what ever I saw first !

That would have been really scarey! Glad to hear he is ok now - did they get the stitches out ?

[Abejita]

now ..my vets ..myself..vets at New Bolton..all say the opposite. It takes MORE (and we use rompum ) TQ to affect most of these guys..My vet talks about some of the drafts she treats and says it can take up to double to have the same effect..

[Monty]

Our little Mustang took 3 different shots of sedatives ,"just" to have his teeth floated and sheath cleaned ! Stubborn little twit! We had vet do the sheath - we didn't think he had ever had that done -and didn't know what the reaction to us trying to do that :roll:
Monty had one and nearly fell asleep on the spot !

[Terry Wallace]

I have not experienced Pasos needing less of anything except feed!

I would say...that in my own Paso experience..it "seems" as if Paso mares have a harder time maintaining a pregnancy than QH horses.
That they are more of an "emotional" horse, and tend to be more nervous, which seems to stress their systems more.

Other than that... it takes the same amount of Rompun, Ketamine, lutalyse, etc... that we used on any other breed.

The horses that took up to three times more (Ketamine for sure) are BLM mustangs...

Again, this reflects my own experience....

[sherry k t]

So scarey!! so glad hes okay! whew only takes a few seconds to show us a horse is a horse and you never know whats going to happen. so fortunate he didnt do himself in.

My PF gelding takes alot of sedative to keep him calm. the vet just shakes her head the doses he requires compared to most she treats. You have to sedate him to give shots, tube worm or draw blood. hate to sedate but its the safest way. normally just mix his wormer with feed and sedate annually for shots and coggins blood work and last year had his teeth floated all the same time. I have owned him for 8 years and I can ride him anywere and can do most anything with him except vet work. thats just his quirk all horses have them. He is better with the Women vet he wont let the male vet touch him without major battle. its funny cause hes really good with the male farriers we use.

[pnalley]

The old staples/stiches came out fine, with no scarring.

I didn't mention this guy is BIG (especially when compared to the Paso's). Flash is 15.3 and weighs in around 1250 to 1300 lbs.

Usually it takes a LOT of tranquelizer to sedate him, apparently the mix was more then he could handle.

He certainly wasn't trying to hurt us, but we could have been killed. It's rather amazing that they let us ride them isn't it?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/pnalley1/Flash.jpg

[Barbwire]

Good grief!!! Look at the size of that hoss' butt, nice boy! Glad he's OK.

[NikiGA]

Wow, he is pretty! Glad all of you made it through that ordeal.

[baileyholc]

I am glad he is ok. I think I would have had to have the whole bottle instead of a large glass. :shock:

[Abejita]

ouch..if he threw you into a wall you would certainly feel it!!! We had one yearling paso who reacted bad coming out of anesthesia after gelding...he fought it going under and when he woke up he did kinda what you describe..just threw himself all around the arena.The trainer kept hold of him (lead rope) and even though it was not pretty neither got hurt bad.

[Linda Y]

Holy crow!http://www.modelhorseblab.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif That is one BIG spotty butt horsie! I wouldn't want to be in HIS way!
Probably what saved him from being hurt again was that he WAS so drunk.
My old gelding Desi has adverse reactions to sedatives. It just takes a little to put him in lala land. And he is big for a Paso. He colicked once, and the vet gave him something that knocked him out, flat on his side and snoring, for a whole day. Must say when he came out of it that night, he was over the colic!

[pnalley]

Just got back from feeding. Flash doesn't even seem to be sore.

Now that my eyes are not glazed over from fear & shock I was able to see what happened to the barn. One of the supports 2 x 4's fell from it's top attachment. I wondered how. Noticed one of my stall doors was a bit "off" (my doors are even & open & close well always). I noticed in his last drunken slam against the stall wall he broke a 4 x 6 in half. This is one of eight 4 x 6's that each stall has as braces. These are sunk 3 ft in the ground, set in concrete. He broke it in HALF. I have no idea how we will fix it. It is a support beam. My barn is built with horses in mind, very strong, way stronger then most. I'm amazed. 1) that the 3 humans were not hurt 2) that he wasn't hurt 3) he broke my barn.

More wine, a lot more wine............

[Terry Wallace]

About that broken beam... you could cut off (straight) the broken pieces, insert a new piece of beam, and then put 2X6 by however long you need, down two sides, or all four sides...this will make a really hefty post. Be sure that you drill the 2 x 6's and LAG through them with at least 3/8 lag screws.... Be sure you lag in the tops of all your beams (if they are only "nailed") to the rafters.

This way...you don't have to worry about trying to dig out a post in concrete...and it will be as stong as before, as far as the support goes. ;-)

[Carol Nelson]

Hey, he's a beautiful boy though...glad everything came out ok...(except the barn) 8-) !

[Laura S]

Wow, what a scary experience. I am glad Flash is OK and hope your barn gets fixed soon! One of my pasos recently ran into the bolt latch on his stall door and got a puncture wound in his rib cage area. Not very serious at all, but the vet came and stitched up and put in a drain. I could not sleep all that night and could barely work the next day because I felt so bad for him. If anything should happen again I will remember the wine! That would have helped!

[appyday]

One time I cut my hand pretty bad picking some grass for the babies..

[Heidi]

One time I cut my hand pretty bad picking some grass for the babies..
:lol: My cat just came and checked on me because I burst out laughing!
Heidi

[baileyholc]

One time I cut my hand pretty bad picking some grass for the babies..
:lol: My cat just came and checked on me because I burst out laughing!
Heidi


:lol: :lol: :lol: I love this. I can go anywhere and no matter what kind of day I had or what kind of topic, I will always find someone to make me laugh. 8-)

[Cindy]

I almost spit a mouthful of wine all over my computer.

[Bonnie LR]

I did.