I'm just tickled pink

[Boyd R]

I worked both Noche and El Muneco, (Rebel) this afternoon. All I can say is WOW.

Now I do have to admit Rebel had been stalled for a week so he had some energy to burn off on Monday when I got him. But he has been spooky at everything since being here. Won't even go into the stall to eat and has been somewhat dangerous to be around because he will jump at any moment, and if you are in the way OOOOPS. Well tonight we went into the arena and through the obstacle course and he was absolutely wonderful, handled everything just super. The only hitch was the plastic bag. He first reared 3 or 4 times in an attempt to get away but within 15 minutes I was rubbing it all over him and waving it over his head. Since Noche got to eat his breakfast because Rebel was to busy running from boogie men this morning I figured I would feed him tonight. Right into the stall he went and didn't raise his head once to go look out the door for that monster that had to be just outside waiting to get him.

Then came Noche which was a ditto of Rebel just wonderful. Same bag issues which he overcame quickly. And lunging today he did not argue at all except for going clockwise. He refused at first but soon was going once he figured out I would let him set his own pace and diameter. But it did further convince me that he has some fisical issues he acted as if it hurt to turn to the right. He would bend his neck to the inside but turn his nose up and out. Not fighting just uncomfortable look to him.

So just WoW maybe these Two will be easier to have ready than I thought

[baileyholc]

Boyd, is that the shoulder that the nurve to his knees hurt him. I think that is what I mean to say. :-? You said that when the saddle is on him and you ask him to go he wants to throw you off. Right :?: Maybe it isn't his knees after all maybe he has a problem with his shoulder. Like a fracture or a broke wither bone. :-? Just a thought. Maybe all his pain is on the right side. I know it is dangeruse for me to be thinking. :shock: I will try not to do it anymore. :D

[Boyd R]

The sensory nerves for the knees are in the pocket behind the shoulders where the bars of the saddle rest. Both of them on him are reactive. It takes a professional to diagnose axactly what and where. From these senceories you would check others that interact with these to figure out exactly what is hurting. That is Vickies speciality not mine. But I am sure by his movements that he is in pain and not happy about it. Vicki will be here Saturday morning to work him over. I will update then

[baileyholc]

Thanks Boyd.

Edited:
Just got off the phone with the prev owner. She said Noche was born and raised here in SC. He went to a trainer in GA named Shaw Lainny for 30 days when he was 7 years old them came home. The trainer loaded him and Noche had never be introduced to the trailer. He was forced to load. OK, prev owner got him from her friend the breeder of Noche. She and her husband are the ones who rode him the most the two years they had him. Noche loved hubbie, hated her. Noche then went to new owner and well you know the reast.

[CarolU]

That is great news Boyd...of course just when you think a horse is going to be easy they throw you a curve ball. LOL

Congratulations on a good day!

[Heidi]

I've met Shaw Laney, he recently married my friend's daughter. I have only heard good things about his training practices and the horses he has had under his care all looked happy and relaxed at the shows I've seen them at.
Heidi

[baileyholc]

I don't know him. I am just repeating what the prev owner told me. I don't know anything else but that Noche was 7 years at the time he went to the trainers and he is what 10 or 11 now. She said she got him cause the breeder could not do anything with him before or even after he went to the trainer. :-?

[Cindy]

Shaw is in SC, not Georgia and is a very good trainer. 30 days training on a 7 year old horse is like throwing money into the wind. One cannot fix in 30 days the problems that have been created for 7 years.

[baileyholc]

:shock: I didn't do it. I just want the horse. He won't leave me alone. :eek:

[CarolU]

Not just that, no one can thoroughly train a horse in 30 days. 30 days is just a good start.

[baileyholc]

Noche's training was never finished. He may have had a good start at 7 but after that he was just put to pasture. Before that he was pastured. He just needs someone that will teach him and someone to stay with it. That is why I want to learn as much as I can on the breed. I want to be able to keep the training up. In my opinian, Horeses are like children they want to learn and please once you break their trust it will take a while to earn that trust back. Noche never got the chance. No one stuck with the training and Noche learn to do what he wanted. Thats what I think, anyway. Boyd will fix him. ;-)

[Boyd R]

Shaw is an excellent trainer. I believe Noche has pain Issues and if I am right they have been around for a long time. He is exellent and sweet. He hates work. He was exellent last night the issues he showed appeared pain related. If it hurts him to move then of course he will hate to be made to move. I think he has dealt with this so long that he won't tolerate it any more. I bet within a month or Two he will be happy to see the saddle coming.

[finolover]

30 days is just a good start.

amen, amen,
it amazes me how those t.v. clinitions make you think it can be done in three hours............
some think quito is the absolute worst horse in the world...
i think he's the best teacher i ever had, and he's been here over a year!!!

basics can be taught in days, trust , confidence, bonding and the horsenality of the animal takes weeks and months.
not too much unlike a personal relationship :!:

[Terry Wallace]

Ditto what Cindy G. said.
Shaw is a great trainer and an honest one..... had him demo a horse to me at Nationals once.

30 days of training is a "surface scratch".... ! ;-)

[paintedhorizon]

Hopefully whatever is causing him pain is repairable.

[motorgypsy]

Earl I'm with you. Chinook taught me everything I know about horses including how to ride and I was a REAL slow learner but she was very patient. How many horses do you know who buck out of protest (I don't work at feeding time :-) )and stop bucking instantly if the rider loses balance or a stirrup??? Gotta love'em!!

We also have heard that Shaw Laney is an excellent trainer. That said we bought a six year old mare who also had 30 days professional training. I have no idea who trained her but they must have totally concentrated on riding her because she had no ground manners and was dangerous on the ground, in a stall, etc. because she'd run you down in a second or drag you off. Thank goodness we found out about clicker training and rope halters. She also had no WHOA so we taught her to stop at the fence when you turned her. It worked great but it's hard to turn a horse on a six inch wide trail in the woods so we finally found a bit she liked (Myler short shank comfort snaffle - not a snaffle - mouthpiece) that she listened to and she's great now but 30 days is nothing. We're just very grateful that her trainer got her rideable because from there we could take over safely.

Have fun Boyd and be careful of that back!!

[DebbieS]

I feel bad for trainers when someone expects 'a 30-day miracle'. I have one in training right now. He was a pocket horse..... He's been there 31 days. The trainer got on him for the first time on Monday. Says he's a different horse when you get on his back. Needs lots more time with him. I told him it was okay - no rush. I expected him to have him at least 90 days. I think that made him feel a little better. It's true, people watch it on tv, and expect things to happen overnight. Every horse is different.

[Cindy]

I hate to get the ones that the owners say are the sweetest horses in the world. Have never done anything wrong. They are always the ones that are the most difficult. I absolutely love to hear that they are afraid of everything and jump off the walls and noone can touch them and they are crazy. Much easier to train.

[Boyd R]

My feelings exactly. Dos was the sweetest, touchbutton guy you ever seen. Got him home and almost drove me away from Pasos. Next came Carlos good horse but unpredictable put his owner in the hospital. We are lucky to get him to do more than a walk. The old Fart.
Then came Porcy sold as broodmare only, Will hurt anyone that gets on her. Say what she Is pissy but has never attempted anything stupid and actually kept her head in several situations that I've seen exellent horse nearly kill their riders. Maggie had a few issues and didn't gel with Kim but she is just a gem. Gally, Rebel boy and Noche, We will see.