Bochica

[Tami Pinell]

Does anyone know of a direct son of Bochica (still living and breedable) that is NOT gray??
If I am correct, I think that Gracioso is one. Any more out there in Florida or possible PR or Columbia?

Hello Tami, As far as I know the only ones left out of Bochica are Postin who is in Colombia and Gracioso who is in USA.
I know other Stallions that have the Bochica blood lines thru his mother.
If you need more info please pm and I will help you.

Saludes

Carlos

[Pasogirlz]

I bit of Bochica info and photoa

http://www.pasoregistry.com/db/Profile.asp?ID=104175

[appyday]

Tami............my Condesa is a granddaughter of Bochica..

[Terry Wallace]

Gracioiso is it for non-gray. El Aguila de San Felipe "Felipe" is still available for breeding, but also gray. I just sold my Bochica GDaughter.

[Candice Burger]

Bochica sons living in the USA

Don Gaspar de SantaMonica
El Augila de San Felipe
Gracioso
Ocaso de Bochica

Postin is still breeding in Colombia

A friend contacted the owners of Don Gaspar. He is in Miami, doing well and still breeding. He was a 4 yr old fino champion here in the USA. I forgot to add that he is bay with some white socks. Can't remember how many. Check his breeding out...

[LynnG]

at one time it was questioned whether Gracioso's sire was really Bochica. Does he fit the same phenotype as the other Bochica offspring?


Ocaso de Bochica is still breeding in the mid-west.

[Hollis D. Gammon]

Doesn't Linda Branstter[??]near Memphis have one? Or is it Contrapunto??
Just confirmed it a Contrapunto son. and also think there's questions by some about the pedigree being correct

[Candice Burger]

Gracioso does not exhibit Bochica phenotype. Although, he is a fino and performance champion.

There were several Bochica and Contrapunto sons imported to the USA at the time these sires became popular. None were verified to be authentic.

Be careful, breed to the ones that show the correct phenotype for that stallion. Not that the others are/are not [quality], but if some other phenotype is being expressed, chances are the inheritance will not be much better. That is if the phenotype is the target.

Susan Ostertag has an excellent Contrapunto son that displays classical Contrapunto phenotype.

[Candice Burger]

Lynn,

Have you seen any Ocaso de Bochica offpsring? Or know where to find them? He has some interesting inbreeding back to Plumaje.

[stella]

Candace,
I'm interested in your description of Bochica phenotype, both pos and neg; what horses you think best exemplify the positive aspects, and in what respects you feel Gracioso differs from that phenotype.

Its a strictly academic question, as I dont use the line. (if you'd rather pm me, thats ok too)....just like comparing what "I see" to what someone else does(which I intend to do in my mind, not on this forum), as maybe I've missed something! good learning....

[Candice Burger]

Things I like about Bochica:
Fluid movements
Quite croup
Good brios
Tolerant
Sound minded
Noble

Generally the Bochica phenotype is "quiet". They can be very laid-back, soften the gait, and have a great temperament. Most are very nicely gaited without an extravagant animation.

Things I don't like about Bochica:
Disproportional conformation
Neck attachment/neck line

I had been told many years ago that Bochica stock were difficult and Bochica was hard to handle. I simply have not found that to be true with the ones I've seen. Maybe they are out there, dunno.

I don't think Bochica can stand on his own as a producer. I think the asset with Bochica is that he carries the genes to cross with or inbreed to. I am not enthralled with heavily inbred Bochica stock, but I would like to see some minor linebreeding to his ancestors using Bochica and individuals with the same lines. Right now, my thinking is that this is necessary to preserve those traits; may be recessive?

Gracioso differs from the phenotype in general by conformation and movements. His movements are not typically as graceful and fluid as most of the Bochica line. He is more animated and more piston-like. His conformation is a little stockier and overall shorter in length(s) than the Bochica line. Most of the Bochica stock have a tendency to get streamlined on their toplines. They also tend to get too long. I like some the Gracioso offspring I've seen, but I don't think they represent the Bochica line. Could be the expression is simply dominated by the other parent(s) and the subtleties aren't seen until familiar with the horse.

Many of the ones I've seen all have some commonality about the way they handle themselves. Because the traits are not dominant features it's hard to explain it. I guess the best way to describe it is they have a presence about themselves that is quiet yet they carry themselves in a royal manner. And as you know, I am an easy mark for horses that think themselves special.

Horses that I think typify the Bochica line are Aristocracia, Pandora de Prodeco, Bochia Tres, Don Gaspar, Capuchino de Bochica, and Rebeldia International to name a few. What bothers me is the ones I am particularly attracted to carry the Desvelo/Cerezo/Gaucho bottom lines. So, maybe it's not Bochica I like at all, or it is the linebreeding of this cross that I am seeing.

There is a stallion I'm researching that came from the same area or farm as Bochica and has similar ancestry. I'd like to look at him and his offspring to clarify my assessments.

[Hollis D. Gammon]

Candice, you are to be commended for your fair evaulation of Bochica as YOU see it and brave enough to post it for all to read.

I for one copied and saved your bio.

It doesn't matter whether anyone agrees with you or not. In my opinion you were fair and factual.

My hat's off to you!! We need more like this. Many, many thanks.

[SandyMM]

Nice explanation of your opinion re: Bochica, Candice - interesting reading.

[Candice Burger]

Thanks Hollis,

I figure everyone is entitled to their opinions/likes/dislikes. I think it's important to share these thoughts because

1. I could be wrong (just could be ;-) ). I need feedback like anyone else. Maybe someone will come forward with their ideas and share their experiences.
2. It's important to share a view when trying to understand or learn.
3. This isn't a perfect world, but it is a beautiful one. I think our pasos are the same way. It serves no purpose to see only part of an animal. Loving the strong and accepting the weak aspects are a part of life. I try to keep my views in line with this.

I have a mare that I dearly love, but she is terribly built. Should I only share her positives and hide the negatives? No, I insult her and the breed by doing so. When you see all sides then you can begin working towards improving or maintaining your goals.

[Abejita]

and if those who have been in this breed (and studied harder ;-) ) do not share their thoughts both good and bad in a constructive way such as you did ..how are those of us who only hear 'sales pitches' to learn what to look for ? We are not all lucky enough to be able to travel and see many different horses

[stella]

You are right, Abejita, and THANK YOU VERY MUCH, Candice....what Candice has done is a PERFECT example of what anyone hoping to breed a better horse needs to be able to do.... bravo! .....identify the negative AS WELL AS positive traits of a line(since there IS no such thing as a perfect horse!)..and there doesnt have to be anything judgmental about it!

If we dont acknowledge what needs improvement in any given line, its impossible to make the BEST selection of a mate....one that is complimentary, is strong where the other is weak. It doesnt take anything away from the respect or love we have for that line, just a matter of seeing it realistically and objectively....after all, real love is when you accept with all the faults, anyway, isnt it?

Yes, I have a weakness for Desvelo and Cerezo too, its that Cometa stuff, Candice! I think its our previous Eblis influence that makes us suckers for it...
But actually, other than the length, I kind of thought Gracioso did produce fairly typically of Bochica....I will have to review the dam's line(havent looked for a few years), it could just be that it was more dominant, gaitwise esp, in this particular case. I've previously seen alot of farm footage(not just show footage)of Bochica, and he was low, fluid, and more strongly to the lateral, not diagonal.

I think good breeding stallions become known as prepotent because they are consistantly dominant in specific desireable characteristics over MOST bloodlines, but here and there, even with the very best, either a line or an individual mare will present itself that is the exception, where she is more dominant in a particular trait or two; and it may be consistent within the nick, or it can just occur in one particular mating, even if the two are bred several times.

[paso chikkaaaa.]

I no a grey one

[Candice Burger]

I've got to clear up a couple of things about my comments on Bochica offspring. I didn't even think about the ramifications until a kind friend pointed this out to me.

Story:
I've been reading up on TB breeding theories to help me focus my own breeding plans. One author that I enjoy is Ken McLean. He has several books out. He has studied horse genetics since a child and has been/is a consultant to the Aga Khan's breeding program among others. He tells a story about how himself and a panel of other like experts (breeding consultants to kings and renown TB breeders of the world) were requested to analyze a yearling auction in England. One of the premier auctions in the world. They were to assess each yearling and determine a correlation. Surprise, surprise, when at the end of the day, each one had a differing assessment of each colt. Some were very contrarian. Yet each one was successful in the TB breeding field.

So, while my assessment of Bochica stock works for me, helps me to select or cull, another person's perspective may be quite different and yet just as correct. It is the exchange of these views that keeps the breed on track. If anyone reads what I wrote, but either cannot "see" it or does not agree, it doesn't make that person ignorant or incorrect. Any more than someone correcting my statements makes us contrary. Someone may notice an attribute that I have not taken into account or perhaps I consider to a lesser degree.

Like anything else, as I learn more, my perceptions change to accomodate new information. I appreciate feedback that helps me to see a horse better. This has helped me many times for horses like Majestuoso, Classico de Plebeyo, Vitral, etc.

Cheers, Candice

[Tami Pinell]

Candice and others - I must agree that reading ones views and interpitations of equines should not be set as stone. I also have seen many sucessful breeders, genetic researchers, and other analitical folk come to have completely different conclusions about the same animal. I appreciate your comments as they are what "you" see and what works for "you". It enlightens me as how you view these horses and what points you look for. It is hard to see for many due to the fact that we do not see what you are placing with the stallions (mare/stallion/ outcome). It would be wonderful to be able to do that but most of the time we can not. When I look at a stallion to cross with my mares there are several things I look for in the offspring to see if the particular stallion would be better for my mare or not.... One of which I believe you answered (may be someone else did).... Gracioso is not the "typical" Bochica offspring. His offspring are not "typical" Bochica. (Please correct me if I did not read that, I'm here to figure out which stallion would be the best for MY mare and MY program). I get the understanding that Bochica characteristics are a sound mind, willingness, strong, long backs.... please add to this. What I have not heard.... are most of his offspring paso fino, trocha, medium gait, low gait, high gait, and how fast are is offspring? Does he add to the mares ability or does the mare add to his ability (Is he dominant or not).... Tell me more about the sons - Postin and the others. Do you know if there are videos of the current stallions and their offspring....
I have seen in the past that a close pairing of Resorte IV and Bochica can produce what I consider to be a better product than either of the two. What I have not seen is a pairing of Resorte III and Bochica that is close - what are your thoughts about this? Carlos - jump in here!!! I wish to achieve a tight gait with a very smooth croup with medium to low action and speed. I want to have a medium back with a powerful rump and a full shoulder with a neck that is not set too low but I do not wish for extreme height ( I prefer a horse that does not have a "throaty" look.) I have found that some of the Resorte bred horses have an agressive side or poor temperment when put into stressful situations - do Bochica lined horses have this? I believe one line that has been noted for this was Impacto...
I wish to thank you again Candice for your insight and I and others appreciate what you have stated - I take what you have said as your honesty in what works for you and what you see through you eyes. It would be nice if we could get more to open up on this and keep an open mind so all could become better breeders for our paso finos.

[Candice Burger]

I agree with that observation. I think the Resorte IV line is one of the most consistent male lines in the paso fino breed. I am not using the line because I know it is available as I need it. I think the Bochica/RIV cross to be excellent using Bochica as the mare line.

I've used the Mejia Bochia (Postin) line. Petrolero and Patrullero to an Eblis mare with good results. I've crossed this line as half-sibs with excellent results. There is no RIV in the crosses. I've used the Patrullero/Eblis line to a related mare (maternal line relations) with excellent results. Again no RIV in the line. The mare carries Duque, Zarzamora, Resorte III, Pistolero, and Monarquita.

In my mind Petrolero expresses more influence from Contrapunto and his Marino influence through Duque. Patrullero expresses more influence through Duque and Monarquita (know little about this line). At first glance they are different in gait expression. Patrullero is higher and can go trocha. He is very animated personality. His fino can be very, very quick and short. Petrolero is quieter, lower, softer. The similarities are their temperment, intelligence, quiet croup, good sound legs, excellent brios (the best). Then there is some elegance in both horses that I admire very much. My Petrolero mare looks like a confo disaster on the move. My Patrullero son is beautiful. She is not like Petrolero in her movement, nor is she like her dam (where did that come from?) The Pat son is like daddy. He has the smoothest trot I've ever ridden. He seems to float.

What catches me is the nobility. That seems to be Bochica. None of my other horses have this about themselves. My Eblis line is very intelligent but requires a partnership. The Bochica/Eblis line is not like that at all. They are more docile and willing to compromise. When I bred my Bochica/Eblis to my RIII/Eblis, I got the same temperament. A very willing, kind animal with less demand to be partners. This may change with age. The RIII/Eblis mare is more Eblis in her intelligence.

I don't think Bochica has the ability to simply "wipe out" a phenotype. I think if you are looking for brains, tolerance, and kindness, I believe this line has that to offer. I think it can help with croup, legs, and elegance. They are people horses.

I definitely am taking a related mare to Patrullero and may take my RIII/Eblis mare to Petrolero. I've considered taking the Petrolero/Eblis mare to a Bochica son to see what happens outside of Postin. I think the bottom line matters about which son to use as does the phenotype.

My priority has been brains and temperament over other aspects. The Eblis/Bochica line has given me the most pleasing combination of personality, smarts and willingness that I've experienced so far; the foals are a joy. They are confident, curious, and seek human interaction. I want this to remain in my herd permanently before I go to the next priority of getting some improved conformation.

Overall I am pleased with the gait results. The gait range is from a poor pasitrote to lateralness, medium/low to low in animation. The first offspring are ready for saddle training and I'll know for sure then what the gait is truly like. I let them run free without inteference until they are ready for saddle training. I think the greatest weakness is lack of rear drive. I'd like to have more hocks as well. I think this is where the RIV line excells.

[srjames9]

Candice:

excellent analysis.... quick question have you checked the crosses between bochica and the gaucho lines? what about the Rejonero lines? I am very curious about these two lines and your observations.

Cheers,
James

[stella]

Tami, in the past I've seen quite alot of old informal "farm" video/film of Bochica, and he was low-actioned and more to the LATERAL in his gait, very obviously pacey...which of course its been fairly traditional to balance out trotty lines with pacey lines and visa versa.

I remember Postin as a schooling horse(Gawd I'm getting old! But at least I still remember!)and he had more action, medium, but a more "corto" type gait..but, more balanced in confo, front to back...bigger, deeper hindquarter, relative to forehand....cleaner and more defined in how the neck set into the body.

[Candice Burger]

James,

I'm getting ready to pursue this very cross. The Petrolero mare is going to Coloso this year. At first I thought this was a mistake, but more research has convinced me to try this cross. I am not sure what to expect. I am pursuing Coloso with a mare that carries Confidente, Pistolero with Mejia's line. This is the mare that will go to Patrullero as well. The Mejia line and Kling line have common ancestors. The mares are different phenotypes, so it will be interesting to see the results.

I'm interested in Don Gaspar because he is Bochica/Desvelo. In his youth he was a champion fino colt. Very nice movements, good brios, excellent rear, but a little too long. Then there is the Gaucho/Centauro with Resorte III stallion that I want to see.

[Candice Burger]

I purchased a tape of Bochica while he was in his prime competing. I agree with Stella, he tended to be low and lateral. Probably in better condition and handling. Quite a horse.

[Tami Pinell]

Candice - I have a mare with Gaucho line... can you tell me about her grandsire Brasil? Her sire is Ponderosa Tabaco #7724. This mare is long backed but very low, she needs speed and a better rump. I feel she lacks in power from the rear. I crossed her with one of my stallions that has really good rump, very lateral, and shorter back.... the cross looks like it produced performance in the offspring. He has loads of brio also.

[Candice Burger]

I am not so sure about Brasil's pedigree. There's some homework that has to be down to make sure his bloodlines are the right ones.

Duquesa has several different pedigrees. We need to find out if this is the same Duquesa by Duque. If it is, her pedigree needs correcting.

There's allot of Delirios out there. There's one to Resorte III, one to Gaucho, one to Marino, and I think SRJames can confirm another one. Depending on the region where the horse came from, we might be able to pin down which Delirio it is. Also, given the appearance of the Delirio with other horses, that can give a clue about which one it is. There are some common crosses seen with each Delirio.

The Muneca in Figaro's bloodlines probably is not a daughter of Mahoma. This is the Mahoma that Dave Jones imported as an aged stallion.

I can tell you that Antilope is a half-sib cross to the same stallion, Gitano. All I know of Antilope and Gitano is that they were admired highly. I have nothing that describes their phenotype. Apparently Antilope was used heavily in a region of Colombia, but I am not familiar where.

Now Acuarela interests me. I have found this mare in Don Gaspar's bottom line and as a daughter of Bochica in a mare called Fiesta Dancer, daughter of Festival International. Unfortunately, Fiesta Dancer's pedigree is also incorrect, to the best of my knowledge. So, who is this Acuarela?

I can't help much here at all. However, Charlie Barks of pasopedigree might. He may have contact info for Marion Kling, the breeder of Ponderosa horses as well. I'd try that and Carlos Lopez for information.

If you like your mare, know her weaknesses, pick the stallion that will help her. If you keep picking the same traits, I think you will find that innately you will home into the bloodlines that work for you. I think your approach is the soundest method of all.

[LynnG]

My experiences with the Bochica line:

I had the opportunity to ride Bochica III when in CA. He was tighter lateral gaited horse when I rode him and saw his owner ride him. He had the classic Bochica phenotype...high neckset, elegance in carriage. More of his offspring I saw in CA tended to be low and pleausure gaited except for one show mare who was a nice fino (a Ladrillo cross).

I owned a daughter of Capuchino de Bochica. Very easy disposition, almost too laid back with a novice rider. Beautiful head, curved tip ears, a bit long in the body, a little more low neck set to have that U-neck look when asking for collection, which I have seen in other Bochica line horses...she was not strong lateral, but more diagonal especially when in training. I contribute this to her rear end conformation, she just didn't have a strong back end...more pointed in the croup, slight dip in coupling area, camped out which contributed to sickled hockedness and cowhockedness to some degree. Sweet and sociable as she could be though. Her dam was Presumida de Besilu (Latigo x Centinela) was a Natl Conf Filly Ch. Some Bochica line horses I see as having more of a bull neck...heavily muscle on the under side.

Ocaso de Bochia is in the midwest..you could do a search for him... JR Ranch? They have pics of his offspring when young on there.

[Candice Burger]

Thanks Lynn

That's what I see going on as well. The neck was not a great concern for me because I think some of this is due to improper carriage. Photos of Bochica are not flattering in that area and many of that line have a tendency to carry their heads and neck like that too. But I believe combining some decent breeding with good training exercises, some of this can be improved. I considered that, but it didn't discourage me.

It could be why so many Bochica stock start going too lateral and pace later on. Can't engage the rear when the spine is all hollowed out like that. With this line tending for lateralness, I think that's a problem to be aware of. But that's one reason why I wanted the line. There ain't no doubt these horses are gaited.

I bet if someone had taken the time to do dressage exercises some of the head carriage could have been much better. Rounding out the poll and neck line and allowing the spine the round up, probably would have made a world of difference. Instead, it appears that because the gait was there no effort was made to help the carriage out. But then we see that in most of our fino classes anyway, so I suppose it's OK(?).

The Petrolero/Patrullero cross has a tendency to be high headed like that. Fortunately neither parent have the Bochica neck line. The filly is very nice and she will have no problems, but the weanling colt does show some of that shallow top line and bulging bottom line on the neck. To me he will need allot of longitudinal work to help him work out of that, but again, the colt is more natural and lateral than his full sister--interesting. Maybe I will live with a little bulge if I get that gait.

Well, they tain't perfect are they?

Candice,

I have one of the Delirio's ( reg. # 1957) and he has Duque, Desvelo, Gaucho, and double Hilachas. I bred him to my Gracioso (Bochica) daughter, Sorpresa de Casta and she is confirmed in foal. Delirio's the one in the Stallion Service auction flyer from last year. Sorpresa has very high action in the front and was shown performance in her early years. I have not settled the elderly Bochica daughter I have, but she enjoys trying.

Marelyn Valdes

[KAB]

Candice I have a Bochica granddaughter and she fits your discription.

[CarolU]

Pictures of Katheryn's Bochica granddaughter:

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/23115KathBochicaGirl1-med.jpg

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/23115KathBochicaGirl2-med.jpg

[KAB]

She is very smooth gaited---pleasure horse---very much loves people and definately has a mind of her own.She and I both know that she is special.

[Candice Burger]

8-) Katheryn

That's what it is all about. When I happened onto the Eblis line, I felt heaven blessed me. I love smarts and confidence. When the mare produced it without fail, boy, was I ever excited. By chance I bred her to Bochica horses with the warning that because the mare was so "difficult" crossing to Bochica, I'd get bad temperment. That has not so at all. Instead I still get the smarts and confidence with some tolerance. And the Bochica horses I like all are darlings.

You can have the bestest of whatever, but to me without the brains--good luck to you. You can have the worstest, but with the brains and temperament, you can still do things that the bestest is still arguing about. That is why I am still hunting down Bochica and Eblis stock. I'll live with some weakness because they make up for it in their heads. No one told them otherwise.

And having a horse that will partner with you and forgive you when you mess up is the core of the equine soul. The conformation to make it easier on the horse while trying to please is the next goal.

[echo]

I have two Bochica Tres daugters, both have fabulous dispositions, nice brio, and impeccable gait. One of them is a horse that anyone can ride. Both are sound minded and willing, and very fluid and elegant in their movement. One of the daughters looks almost identical to her sire. As I've read and heard, Bochica crosses extremely well with Resorte's. I am exceedingly pleased with one filly of this cross, a Jaranero daughter...short and quick movement, brios, brains, sensible, not easily spooked. I once heard someone say "we show other bloodlines, but we RIDE our Bochica's". Bochica Tres was owned by Charles & Bonnie Minter in Lexington NC. Here's more about him, if you're interested:
http://www.pasobravo.com/bochist.htm
http://www.pasobravo.com/grey2.jpg
Bochica Tres ridden by Charles Minter, SR.

One of my Bochica Tres daughters, with her Jaranero filly:
http://www.echowestfarm.com/images/SerafinaSonalita062704%20057.gif

[Terry Wallace]

Here is what my Bochica GD looks like... (recently sold her) I agree with Candice's assesment. This mare is also a "conformation nightmare" to me, long of body, straight shouldered, too flat of croup. I did not breed her while I had her, as I did not like her confo. She was a good trail mare for me. Very smart, very willing, low, slow fino like action. She does not have the extension to Largo. The main reason I sold her, is because she could not "keep up" with other horses on rides.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/twobarwpaso/Lola_ad_collage_BB.jpg

[Cindy]

Just read through this thread. Very good info here. Candice, I agree with your assessment of the Bochica line. I don't know who told you that they were bad tempered but, as you have found, this is absolutely not true. In fact I think the Bochica line is one of the best tempered ones that we have in this breed. Very easy to ride and train but perhaps needing a bit more brio.

Tami, I had a son of Bochica Tres out of the Resorte IV mare Marichuela from a two year old until he died a couple years ago at 17. The Bochica/Resorte IV cross is exactly as you have described what you want from it. Though Bochica Tres had several excellent fillies from different lines, I believe the best colts that he had were from the Resorte IV cross. Most of his colts from other crosses became geldings. He did however have much better fillies from many different lines who were good show horses and good producers. Hope this helps if you see it.

[lisa l aka marci]

This is my Bochica grand-daughter (by Copetin International) -

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/49811rosiexmas5.jpg

Rosie was a very sweet and loving horse, pleaure/trail (very little 'professional' training) - she did have major problems with foundering on pasture, laminitis, possible thyroid problems - she's the one I lost to colic at 15, just as she was coming back from laminitis/abcesses in both front feet.

I don't know where the health problems came from, her mom Lucy is still going at 29, and Marci has not had any health issues. I wonder if the problems came from Copetin's side or were not genetically related at all.....

[Cindy]

Here is a photo of my Bochica Tres/Marichuela son when he was 17 with his friend the Freisian. Hope this works the same way the other BB did as this is my first attempt at a photo. Here goes.

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/43843Zapataandfriend-med.JPG

[Barbwire]

Cindy....Wonderful, wonderful pic. I'm swiping that one!

[Cindy]

Thanks. It's one of my favorites too. Two absolute gentlemen. I got to ride the Friesian a couple years ago. He is one cool guy.

[Pasogirlz]

WoW! I never realized Fresians were so BIG. :shock:

*Ditto on GREAT PIX and INFO. Thank you all so much for sharing your knowledge. ;-)

[Polly Aulton]

Wow! This is a great thread and I love reading honest assessments. All I can add is that I had a Bochica Tres daughter and she was crazier than a bedbug. You never knew what that mare was going to do when you were riding her. And God forbid a horse fly landed on her butt! EEEKKK!
She had the Bochica conformation though--long backed!
Polly

[KAB]

My Bochica gdaughter also has foundered.When she was 1 1/2 yrs old I had to have both her stifles clipped.Anyone one else have this problem?The stifle problem has never returned.

[Terry Wallace]

I worried for years that my Bochica Granddaughter (Posted in this thread) would founder due to her very upright pasterns, cresty neck and bubble butt. She never had any founder problems... I owned her from age 2 to age 10. I was very judicious in watching her feed.

When I delivered her to her new owner...their intentions were to leave her on a lush pasture. I warned them.... but (?) I will bet I will hear that she foundered in the future.... just a prediction....

[Candice Burger]

KAB,

What are the other lines that your mare carries? Any Resorte IV or RIV sons?

Just curious

[Candice Burger]

Please remember the mares in the assessment. I don't believe that stallions dominate all things when talking about sons and daughters of...

[KAB]

Candice I'm not sure but I don't think so.Dam is PP and sire is Heraldo de La Alqueria...her PFHA# is 2068293

[juanmono]

HELLO

I AM A VERY GOOD FRIEND OF JULIO SILVA, THE LAST OWNER OF BOCHICA, I AM GOING TO TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM AND SEE IF HE HAS ANY BOCHICA SON OR DAUGHTER. I THINK HE HAS A SON, BUT IS GREY. AS SOON AS I HVE THE INFORMATION I WILL LET YOU KNOW. I KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS A 20 OR 24 YEAR OLD MARE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED.

[Tami Pinell]

Juanmoon - Thank you!
I would love to know if he has a direct son even if the stallion is gray. Please me email me with any information - morningstarfarm at direcway.com
Thanks again!