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Mellifluous
04-26-2006, 04:15 PM
From Mr. Neal Boortz - I love his website, can you tell? I like the stuff I highlighted in blue- interesting

LET'S NOT BE CONFUSED BY THE FACTS HERE

What we saw yesterday in George Bush's speech on gas prices was rank, pure capitulation. Pandering to the ignorance of the American people. Not one sign of leadership. Just a whimpering submission to the softness that is decaying the American spirit. There's George Bush yesterday sounding more like Jimmy Carter than like a president who is leading his country in a war on terror.

Why these harsh words? Because Bush took the easy way out yesterday. He bowed to the demagoguery of the Democrats and some Republicans. He ordered price-fixing investigations of the oil companies in spite of the fact that there is not one single shred of evidence that any collusion or price fixing is taking place. Over the years there have been many of these investigations. Not once -- not one single time has one of these investigations uncovered any evidence of price fixing by the oil companies.

This was a time for Bush to lead. This was a time for him to step in front of the American people and tell the truth. Educate them! Instead of trying to address the ignorance of the American people on the issue of gas prices, he pandered to that ignorance.

For starters, the president could have told the American people that the federal government doesn't exist to solve every problem in their lives. They live in a country where capitalism, free enterprise and economic liberty have created a standard of living that is the envy of the entire world. If you want to rely on the government to address every problem that arises in your life, then you have to be prepared to give up some of those freedoms.

Here are a few more facts that Bush could have shared in his speech yesterday:

Repeating my first point; even though there have been countless investigations in the past, and even though the Federal Trade Commission has a division that constantly, day after day, scans the nation for evidence, no investigation has ever shown one scintilla of evidence of price fixing in gas and oil.

The oil company profits are not obscene. As of September of last year the total take for local, state and federal governments for each gallon of gas sold was 46 cents. In New York that figure is 63 cents. At the same time gasoline retailers were making about 12 cents on the sale of a gallon of gas. Right now the government take is approaching an average of 50 cents a gallon. Retailers are making about 14 cents. so ... who is making the obscene profit? The local gasoline retailer invests in the community, buys a plot of ground, builds a gas station, hires the employees, pays the local taxes, deals with the local regulatory agencies, and makes a big screaming 14 cents on each gallon sold. Meanwhile, the government steps in without having invested one dime in that facility and takes about 50 cents per gallon. Some obscene profits, right?

As for profit margins ... the amount of money earned for each dollar of sales ... oil companies are nowhere near the top of the list. In 2005 pharmaceutical companies made about 17.6 cents for every dollar of revenue. That, for those of you educated in government schools, that works out to a 17.6% profit margin for the drug makers. How about your local bank? They made about 19.1 cents for every dollar of revenue. Almost a 20% profit! Not too shabby. And what about your household goods and cosmetics? Those companies earned 11 cents on the dollar. A lot of competition there. Now, the oil companies. What did they make? In 2005 the average was 8.5 cents per dollar of revenue. That works out to an 8.5% profit margin.

Maybe President Bush could have said something yesterday about MTBE. Congress recently refused to protect the MTBE makers from liability from frivolous lawsuits. MTBE is a component in gasoline ... and the makers are bailing. MTBE is to be replaced by ethanol .. .but the ethanol producers just can't keep up! This affects supply, and reduced supply in the face of increased demand means what? Higher gas prices? Could we get the ethanol we need from overseas? Why yes! We could! But the Bush administration has a 54 cent-per-gallon import duty on imported ethanol! There's your price gouging! Drop that import duty and I wonder what would happen to gas prices.

It's enough of a problem when Americans suffer from a tragic level of ignorance on issues of basic economics due to generations of state-run education. It's even more tragic when politicians pander to that ignorance for political gain.

SandyMM
04-26-2006, 04:38 PM
Inquiring minds want to know who's getting the other 27.5¢/dollar?

baileyholc
04-26-2006, 04:40 PM
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Jane Hurl
04-26-2006, 05:43 PM
Good thought, Sandy! Indeed, inquiring minds DO want to know! Now ... how do we go about finding out?

Up here, our new (idiot) prime minister used to be "the leader of the opposition". As such, he ranted and raved at our most excellent (and now ousted) prime minister asking if the government would forego its tax share if the price of gas got above 85 cents/litre. The (then) prime minister would not agree to that.

So ... now that the idiot is in power and the price of gasoline is $1.05/litre ... when asked if he's going to forego the tax on gasoline over 85 cents/litre that he'd campaigned for, he had the audacity to say, "That was then and this is now. No."

This is our new prime minister in action. So now you know why I was so set against this moron. Our last prime minister was a man of honour. He got caught in a firestorm caused by others in his party being dishonest. Not him. He was honest, even when it hurt his campaign. Gotta like that in a politician.

Cindy
04-26-2006, 08:31 PM
Inquiring minds want to know who's getting the other 27.5¢/dollar?


The oil companies have to BUY the oil and pay for the stores they sell from and pay their employees. That is their PROFIT MARGIN. What they make for each dollar of product sold after expenses.

Jane Hurl
04-26-2006, 08:58 PM
Now hang on there, Cindy!

Assuming the article is right, it says that the gas stations take 14c/litre. Those may or may not belong to the oil companies. (In Canada they used to be all independently owned. Now they are primarily oil company owned.) Either way, you can't use the stations and their employees in that 27.5c.

If the article is right, the oil companies are making 8.5c. So where's the other 27/5?

Could it be the cost of producing the oil in the first place? Could it be the drilling companies that work for the oil companies? I know that oil companies pay big bucks for "drilling rights".

Cindy
04-26-2006, 09:07 PM
Yes, you are right Jane. I am mixing apples and oranges. But my point remains the same. For every product there is a cost to bring the product to market whether the market be ratail or wholesale. The stated profit margin for the oil companies is 8.5%. I guess I don't know where you guys are coming up with your 27.5 number.

CarolU
04-26-2006, 09:56 PM
The Oil Patroleum "expert" on the news last night said it takes $21 in production costs to make a $71 barrel of crude oil.

THAT is "price gouging!"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9854784/

Here is an interesting fact sheet, but a year old now:

http://www.sierraclub.org/pressroom/releases/pr2005-07-26a.asp

For an unbiased report of costs and profits (this is 04 data, 05 won't be available until Jul 06) here is DOE's report:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/gasolinepricesprimer/eia1_2005primerM.html

Jane Hurl
04-26-2006, 10:02 PM
In re-reading the article, I think the POINT was that the governments (at all levels) are taking a much bigger piece of the pie than the oil companies. But what the article DOESN'T address is what the governments do WITH that tax money. The writer gives the impression that they just inhale it or something.

What the article doesn't mention is that the various governments use that money to build and maintain the roads and bridges that we need to drive our gas guzzling vehicles ON! At least that's what they use it for in Canada. I assume you're the same in that regard.

Actually, I KNOW you're the same because it just dawned on me that I was reading an article about one state (Utah?) worrying about their loss of revenue due to the cars that are getting so efficient. They felt they would soon not have the tax money needed to maintain the roads and would have to go from a gas tax to a mileage tax that would be computed every time you stopped to fill up with whatever. (The article was about hydrogen-driven cars and their potential impact on tax-for-roads money.)

reuben T
04-27-2006, 03:29 AM
it's not the price of gas that bothers me as much as the extreeme suppression of high MPG technology that's been purposly done by the oil corps. with the government's cooperation. and they've managed to hide it from the general public so well.
I know the fuel consumption of everything from small engines to semi's could have been increased by 5-10 times at least 70 years ago. the technology's been perfected long ago. but every time someone tries to go to market with it they get squashed.

CarolU
04-27-2006, 04:02 AM
Reuben, I agree with you totally. It drives me NUTS that fuel efficiency is actually WORSE today then it was 30 years ago before all the advances in technology. I KNOW we can (and the Japenese DO) make more fuel efficient vehicles...AND I believe as you do that there are numerous improvements that oil/gas companies have kept off the market and out of new vehicles to improve millage....and yes, by as much as 10 times what we are getting.

Don't 'nay sayers' think it's strange that your refrigerator uses 70% LESS energy then one 30 years ago...and your car uses MORE.

Think about it.