Color of Trinket

[JennLM]

After much debate with myself, I am wondering what color she really is.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/JennLM/Trinket/trinket.jpg

The breeder says Buckskin like mom. Mom does not have dorsal stripe or stripes on legs, Trinket does. These are from a few weeks ago.

This is mom on right
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/JennLM/Trinket/cameo__Trinket_1.jpg

Her father was dapple Grey.

http://personal.bgsu.edu/~fayed/G%20from%20behind%20copy.jpg



She is not exactly a color I would pick out. My Andalusian was turning grey but Trinket is not greying like he was, but that does not mean much since some grey at different rates. She is very light like her mom but not the same color exactly. Can she grey out and lose her DOrsal stripe and stripes on the legs? Or does this mean she is a Dun? I have seen the black duns.


This is more like Trinket's color
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/JennLM/Trinket/champam.jpg


Or will she end up like:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/JennLM/Trinket/grullo.jpg

or

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/JennLM/Trinket/grulla1.jpg


This color stuff is crazy! Her face is the same grey/black/tanish her body is. *bangs head*

I want to understand coor genetics but likechess my brain turns off andI can't comprehend.

[Pasogirlz]

I can't see the last few pix. :-?

[Terry Wallace]

Stripes on legs= DUN...however, I'd expect her to be gray like both parents.

[CarolU]

I can't see or open the bottom pictures either, but I'll bet gray also. She already is very gray colored, especially in her legs and face.

Yes, they all grey out differently, it really depends on what the base coat is.

[Terry Wallace]

What is the name of the Andy?

[Barbwire]

In the close up photo of her face that you posted on another thread it is clear to see she is greying.

[Cindy]

Ditto. And Mom is not buckskin, she is gray. May have been buckskin once, but not any more. It's hard to tell her base color from this photo.

[JennLM]

Let me try and address everytone's answers in one post.

From the photos I can see the mare is light tan on the ones sent to me. Unless I am severely color blind. It's grey with tan. But you are saying the tan is slowly giving away to the grey. The mare is a Buckskin according to Paso Pedigree.

Her Dam's Sire was a Bay. For color of her Sire's Dam and Sire it says unknown.

Her Dam's Dam was a Bucskin. But Grey on both sides of the Dams Dams Sire and Dam. (Heh, confused yet)

Oops the pics showed up last night, let me fix them.

My Andalusian was sold a few months ago. He was the grandson of Genio III, the black stallion in Califonia.

So the black on the legs and stripes will fade?

I wouldn't mind her being a Black Dun like the pic lol That is amazing looking.

It just means if she turns grey I will have to buy another. Husband is going to looooooooove that. I can see us with 5 total (since we will have 5 stalls) It also means I will get an older one I know will stay buckskin or Dun. Honestly it looked when I was buying her very light Buckskin and wold not have bought her. But she is here adn i love her and she is staying.

So we will have a Grey, Buckskin (If I have my way about it), Perlino, (husbands Saddlebred is chestnut), and probably an older (3-8 yrs old) Bay Paso. One we are looking at possibly for when we move which happens to be a Bay, though I know my husband would DIE over a Palomino Paso like pasohappy has. What a to die for horse!

[JennLM]

Trinket's Dam is 12 yrs old. So I would say it would take mot of their life to totally grey out? She has bits of tan left but mostly grey looking. (Unless the pics they sent were off in color)

Now is this kind of greying like in human premature greying? All the men on my mom's side greyed out at 18. Is it the same kind of thing?

[Cindy]

Gray horses are not born gray. They are born whatever their base color is and then turn gray as they mature. They all gray at different rates. Some will be white when they are 5 and some when they are 25. Just depends on them.

[Stormie]

She isn't buckskin. Buckskin is caused by the creme gene, and dun factor like the dorsals and leg barring is caused by the Dun gene. Many confuse the two. You would need to find out if thedam is Dun or buckskins. To be any color of dun one parent must be dun. Since both are grey now you need to find out even either where before they went grey. If neither is a dun color then she can't be a dun color or daddy isn't daddy. Countershading can mimic dun factor to the point that even as adults some non dun horses look dun.

Does she also have a dorsal? If she is dun she looks like she will be Grulla. If not she is probably a black that may go grey.

[baileyholc]

Wouldn't a grey have a dark tone to their skin? :confused

[Brigitte]

No idea on the color, but the sire is gorgeous!

[JennLM]

Yes Trinket has a Dorsal, no mom does not, unsure if mom had countershading before but doesn ot now. Does countershading ever dissapear? Can they get the stripes on their legs if it's only countershading and not Dun factor?

I found out yesterday, dad does have countershading stripe down his back and belly they said.

They called her a Buckskin I called her a Dun. But maybe she will end up a Black Dun? Maybe as you said Grulla.

Now the one that was her grandDam, maybe she was not a Bucskin but a Dun? Or who knows. Since it seems the colors they get registered are, are not seeming to match up with their true colors.

All I know is she is NOT what they said I bought and I am a bit pissy. I thought maybe her pic colors were off a bit and Trinket was a light cream.(As they said) I figured her for a Dun not Bucskin (after seeing the strips on her legs and stripe down her back) but still thought that was what I was buying. Had they mentioned greying or not staying Bucskin/Dun I would have kept looking. But again, she is here and I love her but now have to buy another so I end up with 3 horses LOL Her, the Perlino (I figured Perlino they said Cremello), and a Buckskin or Dun later on. My husband is so gonna kill me. I better have clients beating down my door after we move to afford all of them teehee.

I'll keep updating Trinket's pics so we can all see where she ends up.

[Stormie]

Countershading can come and go. Most foals have countershading. This is why a lot of black foals end up being called Grulla when first born or bays/browns listed as Dun and chestnuts as Red Dun. The foal is light in the body with a 'dorsal' so they think it is some color of dun. Some horses loose this some don't. Sometimes they get it only durning one season like in the winter or summer.

For Trinket to be some shade of dun she has to have one parent that is dun but is covered by grey.

I'm a little confused on the photos. The first one is Trinket correct? In that one the 'dun factor is strong looking but still doesn't mean she is dun because it could be countershading. In that second photo is it Trinket and her mom? The mare is very light already. Some grey/duns keep the dun factor but it is very light, some do loose it. A true buckskin will never have a dorsal or dun factor. Only Duns or mixed Duns will have that. A horse can have Creme and dun genes make it colors like Dunskin, Dunalino or Smokey Grulla.

In the photo of the stud he doesn't look to have a dorsal or countershading. Sometimes with Greys you end up with a darker line down the back in how they grey out but it isn't countershading or a dorsal.

Even if her grand-dam is a dun not buckskin it wouldn't matter unless the mare(or sire) was a dun color. Dun does not skip generations.

How old is Trinket now? Does the stripe down her back still show up strongly? What about the leg barring? Any ear tips or other dun factor? Does the stripe on her back go down into the tail?

[Sharon B]

The only thing I will add is that the pigment can be either pink or black. You can have a base cremella or perlino that can gray. Any base color can gray if you have one gray parent. I really wish the PFHA would put the base color in the description on all gray horses. This would really help in breeding you have a 50% chance of not getting a gray and that information is critical. We are going to try this year for our first dapple gray pinto. Keep your fingers crossed. Sorry folks I am not a gray lover but my daughter and has request a dapple gray pinto.
Sharon

[JennLM]

I saw this one that was listed as Buckskin too, and that is as close to any pics I have seen that is her color. So is this one pictured a Grey too?

http://pasoregistry.com/db/Profile.asp?ID=112024

[Heidi]

I saw this one that was listed as Buckskin too, and that is as close to any pics I have seen that is her color. So is this one pictured a Grey too?
http://pasoregistry.com/db/Profile.asp?ID=112024
He can't be, unless a parent was gray. His pedigree states his sire was buckskin and his dam was bay. Doesn't mean they aren't gray, just that they weren't regeistered as gray.
He doesn't look like he is turning gray to me...
Heidi

[CarolU]

I don't think so...his sire is a Buckskin and dam is a bay. A grey must have one grey parent to become grey. It is not a recessive gene.

You know good examples to show you are Stella's Rita and Pascale's Thunder(Bunny). Both are beautiful buckskins, but turning grey.

There are oodles of horses born a solid color that change to grey as they get older. Some do it as they shed their baby fuzz, others do it several years later, gradually replacing their base color with grey. You can usually tell a grey horse though, their legs and face normally grey right away.

[CarolU]

If you look here at Michelle's signature, there are three images of Rita. She looks buckskin, but is actually a gray.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/jklawitter/Paso%20Fino/siggie.jpg