Trote y Galope,Trocha y Galope y Trocha son pasos Diagonales

[Numael]

Los pasos diagonales son movimientos naturales en 2 tiempos, cuando se mueve el anterior (mano), al mismo tiempo se mueve diagonalmente el posterior (pata) del lado contrario; ejemplo anterior derecho Vs posterior izquierdo.Tiene un sonido caracteristico que es tas tas tas tas............, y varia la velocidad dependiendo la modalidad. .El galope es un movimiento natural en los equinos con un sonido tipico que es Catorce catorce catorse.....

En el trote y galope los movimientos diagonales son mas lentos y cadenciosos, combinando el galope, que debe ser suave, desprendiendose con naturalidad, sin mover al jinete con brusquedad.

En la trocha y galope el movimiento diagonal se ejecuta con mas rapidez y el galope tiene que tener una ejecuciòn suave.

En la trocha pura el movimiento diagonal se ejecuta de forma muy rapida y su pulimento y eficacia llegan a ser casi como el paso fino.

El titulo de trocha a este paso diagonal, fue adquirido en Colombia pais de origen , debido a que existe aun, algunos caminos estrechos en las montañas y poblados de la geografia colombianas a la cuales se le llaman trochas. En la colonizacion los caballos decendientes de las razas llegadas al nuevo mundo (America Del Sur), especialmente Colombia, se fueron adaptando a estos pasos debido a las condiciones geograficas y a los diversos relieves, planicies y demas terrenos en los que debian transitar, y los colonos comenzaron a criar su propias razas de caballos los criollos colombianos de los cuales desciende toda o la gran estirpe de hoy dia.

[motorgypsy]

Very interesting! Thank you.

[SandyMM]

Here is the translation from Babelfish - I will try to smooth it out to a more readable translation as time permits...
The diagonal steps are natural movements in 2 beats, when the previous one moves (hand), at the same time diagonally the later one (leg) of the opposite side moves; previous example straight later versus left. It has a characteristic sound that is anvil anvil anvil anvil............, and the speed varies depending upon the modality. El galope is a natural movement in the equines with a typical sound that is "catórse catórse catórse".....

In trote and galope the diagonal movements are but slow and rhythmic, combining galope, that must be smooth, being given off with naturalness, without moving the rider with abruptness. In the trail (trocha) and galope the diagonal movement is executed with rapidity and galope must have a smooth execution. In the pure trail (trocha), the diagonal movement is executed in a very fast form and its polish and effectiveness almost gets to be like the paso fino.

The title of trail (trocha) to this diagonal step, was acquired in the Colombia country of origin, because it even exists, some close ways in mountains and Colombian towns of geografia to as trails are called to it. In the colonization, the offspring of horses of the original breeds to the new world (South America), especially Colombia, began adapting to these passages due to the geographic conditions and to the diverse reliefs, plains and lands in which they would journey, and the colonists began to raise their own breeds of horses - the Colombian Creoles from whom everything descends or the great ancestry of today.

[motorgypsy]

One more question - in the US if the gait is a four beat diagonal gait it is called trocha. We of course know that this is NOT the trocha of the trochador. From the videos we have seen of trochadors it appears that they are still doing a four beat gait but that the diagonal feet strike the ground much closer in time than the lateral feet. Is this correct?? I assume it is also correct that the trochador is the four beat counterpart of the even four beat paso fino - in other words that the forward motion should be minimal and the rate of foot fall should be very rapid. Is this correct?

Can you also explain if there is any difference in quality if the horse is more diangonal four beat or more even four beat. Which is preferred by the judges when judging the trochador.

Sorry - my Spanish is not good enough to translate this!

[SandyMM]

In the pure trail (trocha), the diagonal movement is executed in a very fast form and its polish and effectiveness almost gets to be like the paso fino
And there - in a nutshell - is the reason for the look/feel of today's paso fino horse/gait in this country. It is no longer based on the pure Paso Fino gait as developed and intended in _its_ country of origin but as it has been re-interpreted and re-engineered through the influence of another country.

Interesting that 'trocha' translates as 'trail' when it is described as being extremely fast footfall... not what I would expect to ride on the trail.... ;-)

[motorgypsy]

Sandy if you read the original gait desscription for paso fino in Puerto Rico, a lateral, not even footfall was allowed with the even footfall being the most desired. What we are now looking for is halfway between the two - neither lateral nor diagonal. Even fourbeat.

Many PPR's goes lateral when pushed and will even hard pace. In Colombia there is also the paso fino modality which is not diagonal. Since this section is not on the paso fino, the poster didn't mention it but it is there and bred for exclusively by many farms. The native horses in Colombia are shown as Brigitte said - in the modality they do correctly and may be shown in more than one I assume if they do it correctly as did Don Danilo. And as Lynn pointed out - you may get a more diagonal horse from a beeding and you may not. It depends on both parents. Anyone disputing the fact that Colombian native horses have more than one modalities and that Colombian horses are indeed a great part genetically of paso finos registered with PFHA are not realistic but you can take the available modalities and breed for the modality you want which is exactly what they have been doing for years now.

The problem arises when you have a really flashy, high brio horse who is naturally four beat but not even and he is forced into an even gait, wins and then is bred. This is NOT desireable and not sensible. Horses are bred young enough and there are enough really smart breeders around so that after just a few offspring this horse will not be in demand.

It is fine that Puerto Rico concentrates more on strictly the paso fino gait and Colombia has four preferred combinations of modalities but that doesn't mean that a Colombian horse that naturally does the even four beat gait will not breed as true as a PPR horse since as Lynn mentioned, the diagonal is dominant so so a horse that does a natural even four beat gait bred to paso fino gait regardless of country of origin should give you the correct gait. Now does that mean fino to fino breeds true? Hardly. And then there are always the mutants!! ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

[Brigitte]

One more question - in the US if the gait is a four beat diagonal gait it is called trocha. We of course know that this is NOT the trocha of the trochador. From the videos we have seen of trochadors it appears that they are still doing a four beat gait but that the diagonal feet strike the ground much closer in time than the lateral feet. Is this correct?? I assume it is also correct that the trochador is the four beat counterpart of the even four beat paso fino - in other words that the forward motion should be minimal and the rate of foot fall should be very rapid. Is this correct?

Can you also explain if there is any difference in quality if the horse is more diangonal four beat or more even four beat. Which is preferred by the judges when judging the trochador.


Didn't really understand what you were asking. But the trocha is a 4 beat gait, but it SOUNDS like a two beat because when the two feet diagonals from each other hit the ground, one of them lands slighty before the other. That's why its a 4 beat gait. But you would never know if you just listened.

The trocha sounds like tras tras tras . When judgins trochadors, judges look for quickness and an even tras tras tras sound. They can't be 'even" four beat because their four beat sounds like a two beat.
Hope that made some sense.

Here's a video I quickly uploaded so you can hear the trocha
http://media.putfile.com/Victorino-interpaso

You can't really see it, but you're able to hear the tras tras tras

[Brigitte]

The native horses in Colombia are shown as Brigitte said - in the modality they do correctly and may be shown in more than one I assume if they do it correctly as did Don Danilo.

Nope, once they hit 5 years you can;t change them from modality class anymore. If they're 5 years old and they trocha they stay in trocha. Maybe when Don Danilo was around the rules weren't as strict. But now, I have been told that that's the rule since some finos trocha for a while and then go into fino. So they'll show them in trocha, may even place and once they're in fino they're taken out of trocha and put into fino as long as they're younger then 5. Marinero placed in trocha when he was younger, but now shows in fino.

[Numael]

Nostros en colombia manejamos cuatro modalidades de paso

1 Trote y galope
2 Trocha y Galope
3 Trocha pura
4 Paso fino

Los tres primeros son pasos diagonales como lo explique antes. el cuarto y ultimo es el tipico paso fino ejecutado en cuatro tiempos como el paso fino que conoce todo el mundo. los tres primeros `pasos diagonales son muy populares tambien en mi pais y tienen aceptacion en todos los sertamenes y competencias ademas de los mundiales que realiza confepaso si quieren conocer mas de los movimientos de los caballos en colombia consulten mi pagina alli encontraran las imagenes de los mejores ejemplares actuales en todos los pasos y la decendencia de los pioneros en todos los andares

la pagina es www.pasocolombiano.com proximamente la version tambien en ingles

[Edurne]

We in Colombia manage four modalities of paso

1. Trote y galope
2. Trocha y Galope
3. Trocha pura
4. Paso fino.

The first three are diagonal paces, as I explained earlier. The forth and last is the typical paso fino executed in four beat such as the paso fino as known throughout the world. The first three diagonal paces are very popular as well in my country, and are accepted in all of the "sertamenes" and competitions, as well as the mundiales which Confepaso organizes. If you want to know more about the movement of horses in Colombia, look at my page. There you will find images of the best actual examples of all of the pasos and the decendents of the pioneers in all of the modalities.

The page is www.pasocolombiano.com version also in English.