Know anything about this horse?

[KAB]

PFHA # 31803 Pinto mare.......thanks, Kathy

[DSDECKERT]

She has some of my favorite bloodlines for a nice trail horse - are you buying her???

[Linda Y]

Yep, some of mine, too. So, where are the pictures?

[CarolU]

Very nice lines, both Hilaches and Favorito there...my kind of horse. She should have a drop dead beautiful head, nice conformation and be very intelligent and sensitive.

But bloodlines are only part of the story....every horse is an individual. Let's see some pictures!!!

[cowboy ed]

yeah, kathy, all those bloodlines and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee down at sambo's. lets see some pictures! :D

[baileyholc]

:PICS

[LynnG]

RE: Tortuga .......in this pedigree twice

I rode Tortuga once and can vouch that he is "trocha". Those that knew him when in NC can vouch for it too.

I'd verify gait.

[KAB]

Someone asked me about this horse.This person has only been on a couple of Paso's before and unfortunately they were not nice and quiet horses.Someone is trying to sell her this horse but no pics,can't be bred(med. problem) and she needs to bond with her for a week before she rides her.My advice was if she is interested, go look at the horse and have the owner ride her.She doesn't know anything about Paso's so OF COURSE I reccomended this site.And recommended she read the "trail horse" thread, as this is what she wants one for.

[appyday]

I smell fish.... :roll:

[Bonnie M]

Kathy, did you say the current owner of this horse needs a week to bond with their own horse?

Or your friend needs to go bond with this horse for a week before she tries riding it?

[Fuego]

Can't ride the horse until you've bonded with the horse for a week?
And she wants a quiet trail horse?


Please, don't make me say it..........

[Barbwire]

Aww come on, Mitch! Say it, say it! :razz:

[appyday]

Aww come on, Mitch! Say it, say it! :razz:

Refer (not reefer) to my last post..

[CarolU]

Well, owning Favorito/Hilaches horses, I can tell you they are not for everyone. They are very sensitive and definately have 'opinions' as the MG's said. You either are the right kind of person for this kind of horse, or you aren't. If you are, they will never quit and follow you through fire. But, if you want a pocket Paso that anyone can ride, this does not sound like the right horse for her.

[LynnG]

I would say here is to take a Paso Fino experienced person that knows gait and can vouch for what the horse is doing if it is trained under saddle to ride and being sold as a trail horse prospect. Its going to be about smoothness of gait and tractable easy disposition.

Put the rest aside about bloodlines.

[Bonnie M]

Tell her to keep looking. Especially if this is your friend that is having trouble finding the right horse that you got your guy from.

[appyday]

Bonnie has a pretty horse :D

[Bonnie M]

Thanks Appy!

So do you, I absoloutely love Vence!

[appyday]

Thanks Appy!

So do you, I absoloutely love Vence!

Thank you....he loves himself too... :lol:

[Linda Y]

I smell a BUNCH of fish.
If she has to bond with the horse before she even tries it out, I say run...run far away.
Too bad it's a pinto. :-?

[DSDECKERT]

Who says she has to bond? Come on now....has she even seen the horse?

She needs to go ride the horse, have the owner ride it, and take an experienced rider with her to see/ride her.

And Appy - maybe a shower is in order!!!! :D

[CarolU]

As I read it Deb, the current owner says she has to bond for a week before she's allowed a 'test ride'....which begs the question..."Why?" I wonder what happens if you don't bond for week...maybe only 4 days? What about 2? It's kind of a strange requirement. It does sound like the horse does not do well with strangers. I can understand a horse like that, in fact I have one. They are not for everyone.

[LynnG]

..or it may be the current owner lacks experience with horses also. alot of variables. until an experienced paso person takes a look and ride. I've seen pasos with novice riders not be able to ride, but someone who knows horses and how to ride get on and it be a whole different horse. Most novices need to takes lessons for awhile before they ever even buy a horse.

you just never know......... speculations are just that without firsthand experience with a certain horse

[Camilla]

I have to agree with Lynn.
If the horse is nearby, there is nothing to lose in checking it out.
It could just be a 'quirky' seller... lord knows there's lotsa those.

[stella]

I know at least 15 horses in that pedigree personally, owned Gentile de Ponce as well as Fav, havent seen Rodante since a baby(but pics, yes-owner requirement to send grandma pics on occasion!)...this should be a VERY well-conformed and refined mare, but there's also a few other rather sensitive lines that are picky about who owns them(what I call, "Princes and Princesses," and they are often truly "royally" bred) such as Mar de Plata, Relicario, Viento Siero- and she's linebred on two of those.....Viento Siero was a HUGE 15h, very impressive solidly built pure PR stallion (bay) that had ALOT of brio....its too bad he wasnt used more, but he has the misfortune to be in the same barn as the then ULTRA popular Ejemplo que tal, and Toledo.

I think the owner is trying to say, that the horse requires an owner that, after you take the horse home, will spend the week getting to know it, and establishing trust in its new home, first - THEN go trailride it- that the horse is sensitive, and requires a sensitive, knowledgeable owner. Quite frankly, highly bred horses DO tend to have more developed nervous systems, physiologically, not just psychologically.

Of course, personally, I'd rather every person did that with a new horse, JMO. You get out of an animal what you put in.
But I agree, some lines are NOT for beginners, or even some intermediates, but beloved by more experienced and knowledgeable horsepeople, who want more than just a ride, but a relationship...practically bordering on mental telepathy!
So, it really depends on the experience and desires of your friend, whether this horse would be right for her or not- at least the owner is honestly trying to place her horse correctly.

As to gait, yes- Lynn is being nice to say he was a trochador, he really preferred doing trote, clearly......although he was owned and used for breeding by 2 top trainers and breeders at the time, for his distinct beauty and high action. However, there are enough more lateral tendency horses in that pedigree to offset that(at least 4 I can see), as well as "on the money" lines.....it would be interesting to see her movement (and ride it!). Worth a shot to go look....
Sometimes, you dont wanna put the time in required, but you go look, fall in love, and suddenly willing to do whatever it takes! But again, someone doing that, should be a somewhat seasoned horseperson.

[Remy]

Stella. You are a breath of fresh air. I always look for your posts. You are truly a knowledgable and informed Paso person. Thanks and keep them coming.

[LynnG]

Stella, when I rode Tortuga, he was clearly in trocha tras-tras.... not trote... ridden collected and yes with high action, and then on pavement to clearly hear his gait. Back in early 80's, he was bred some to improve beauty and conformation and hope to get mare's gait...but still not bred alot and then I never saw any direct offspring in the showring competing... and since he stood in NC, I would have seen some surface outside of seeing his name on a pedigree now and then. I don't think the crosses produced the desired paso fino gait, which is why he wasn't used more. I would just be wary of this.

I too often see a "diagonalness" line to be dominant in breeding over a "lateralness" line, when the two are crossed as per the resulting offspring gait preference. I know some breeders did do this cross in hoping to correct one or the other. But I believe more often they got one or the other, vs meeting in the middle for an ideal PF gait.

[Remy]

Lynn G. You are also awesome. I have learned a lot from you too. This must be my day to pass compliments. Usually I am a bit more *****y. Well maybe not *****y maybe just brusque. But I do think the information passed along on this forum is great. It means a lot even to us non-Paso, but hoping-to-be Paso owners. Thanks again.

[stella]

It really depends on whether or not you KNOW what in the conformation is the reason the horse is either diagonal or lateral.

Lateral and diagonal horses usually have differences in the ischeal connection and also degree to which the stifle is bent. Lateralness USUALLY produces a lower, more reaching moment, in the rear working more from the hock but with little bend in the stifle, whereas a diagonal horse is higher actioned and folds the stifle more. "Hock action" is really STIFLE action.
Now some horses can get pacey from having a 'fino" or shorter gaited forehand, and a back end built for a longer stride, so there's misengenation of the forehand to rear in movement...or, the rider can "hold' in the forehand more, thru tighter reins, to shorten the front stride and leave the back end longer...this, accidentally, or on purpose!

My observation of Tortuga was, that while he had that gorgeous very high headset, he also was very hollowed behind the wither with a higher rump, and that makes correct collection very difficult, esp if the neck is "locked" into that position. Under saddle he could stay in trocha better, because he could move out more, but in long lines, where a more fino(tighter) gait is looked for, and its hard to run to make it fast enough, he did every gait and then some(maybe TWO steps AT MOST in sequence of the correct gait!)and mostly Trote.
And thanks for the compliment, Remy! :lol: