Found this today

[Cindy]

Well, I found this today in the Kroger parking lot panting really hard and trying to eat whatever was stuck to the asphalt.

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/43843new_puppy-med.jpg

No, not the kid, the dog. :lol: My dilema, I found her in the Kroger (Grocery store for those of you not in the SE) parking lot very skinny and full of fleas. She had a collar on but no tags. Do I try to find the owner who left her skinny and flea infested or just call her ours? By the way, this is after the flea bath. She was not this color when I found her.

[Barbwire]

Maybe she ran away from home and got skinny and flea infested after that. There could be a little boy or girl worried sick about their little doggy right now. Try to find the owner.

[LynnG]

She could of gotten out of someone's car and been lost. My sister actually had one of her dogs get lost from a vet hospital. They took it out to walk it, and it got away...and no doubt was trying to find her way back home. But home was not close by. She must of had tags on it, because someone eventually found it and she got it back. She went driving all through the surrounding area. Lost dogs can often be scared and not easily found. She probably had ID on her too, unless vet policy is to remove it during a hospital stay.

My two have collars, but no ID tags. I've had IDs on them before on their collars and it has gotten lost off the collar. They don't go far.

You could probably put a FOUND ad in paper and notice at vets or spca, and hold her unless the rightful owner is found. Don't give out all info, so whoever would call would need to know details about the dog to claim it.

[baileyholc]

Put and add in the local news paper under the lost and found. After a week or so if no one clams her I would say keep her. At least you tried to find her owners.

Oh yeh, you can also take it to the vets office and have them scan her for a chip. I had one put under the skin between the sholder blads in my dog. I don't know if they do it in your area, but here if you take a found dog or cat to the local shelter and tell them that you would like to keep the dog but want to make sure it had no owner they will hold it for three days and if the owner did not clam it you can take it back home with you.

[Blameitonbrio]

I think that it would be good to put an ad in your local paper. That way, if there is a heartbroken child somewhere, you will be able to reunit him or her with his/her dog. And if no one answers the ad but somewhere down the road someone tries to claim her, you can prove you tried to find out where the dog belonged. Most rescues around here would advise you to do that just to make sure that an owner cannot be found before they would take a dog into their program.

BTW, I think people who pick up sad strays in grocery store parking lots are the greatest!

[CarolU]

She sure is pretty Cindy...and certainly looks happy to have a bed and boy. Looks like dog heaven to me. I can't imagine a dog ever wanting more. I don't know..I think I'd try a little less hard. Call the Sherrif and the Shelter, see if someone has reported one missing. I know when people who REALLY care about a dog loose it, they try hard to find it.

Our Brittney was stolen when I was a kid. It took her three weeks and bloody paws with no pads left, a frayed rope where she had been tied still around her neck, but she made it home. I do think you owe to her to try to find her rightful owners...but if they're not LOOKING for her, they don't deserve her.

Kudos to you lady...good save.

[Fino1]

Cindy,

Gosh she is SO cute. I bet someone has lost her, maybe a while back and maybe they are still looking.

I know how worried I was (we all were) when the Chloe escaped.

Likewise, try to find the owner and if not sucessful then gosh looks like the little gal has found a great new home.

She is darling.

Judy and Chloe the Bengal who is looking very PO'd right now as she stares at my office door hoping it will magically open for her. HA...fat chance.
House full of daughter's friends so we are hiding out.

[CarolU]

Chloe the Bengal who is looking very PO'd right now as she stares at my office door hoping it will magically open for her. HA...fat chance.
House full of daughter's friends so we are hiding out.

Oh Chloe is lagging! I had a dinner party for my husband's friend's family from PA...20 people. I locked Kalia and Yasha in my closet. Right. 10 minutes. Kalia had the door open, climbed on top of the cat perch and enjoyed the whole party. LOL Yes, she knows how to open doors by jumping up and turning the knob (mine have handles).

[motorgypsy]

We've had too many indoor pets get out. I'd put her picture at the Kroger and at local vets because she could have a very worried owner. Some papers have a free lost and found section also. We even had our goats disappear for five days. It's just too easy for them to get out of a fence or sneak out of a house or car to blame a negligent owner without knowing what really happened.

[Heidi]

I'd post a description at the grocery, pound and local vets. Those are the first places worried owners will look; vet/pound. If you don't hear anything within a week...

Tags can fall off collars. Neighbor's three dogs got loose one day when they were frightened from another neighbor target shooting. The boys came back home, but the girl was still missing. She had JUST lost her tags (rabies and identity) only two days before...owner was heartbroken!
I helped her search and the dog was quickly found alongside the road, foot-weary and happy to get in her mummy's car. I think she heard us calling as we slowly drove past and when we turned to come back, she had reached the road from the woods.

I'd like to suggest using a permanant marker to mark nylon collars with a phone number and maybe a name, if there is room. This way, even if the tags are lost, there is still a contact number available.
Heidi

[andrea]

I am so glad you had the heart to take her home. You are a good person.. I help at the animal shelter here and anyone that loves there dogs will wear tags on them. It is so sad to see what they go thru because owners are not responsible enough to put a tag on them. Even inside dogs. This dog was very lucky.

[Cindy]

I am taking all this in for advisement. Let me just add a few more details and see what you guys think. First, in the area that I live, there are many, many dog owners who are very irresponsible dog owners. In fact, I would say that that is the rule here more so than the exception. They tend to have dogs but never take them to the vet, don't feed them well, chain them in the yard, never deworm or vaccinate, do not have their dogs fixed so they become puppy machines.

Reasons that I think this might be one of those dogs. 1- She has a collar but no tags. This is usually true of dogs owned by such people because they buy the collar at the Walmart but do not spend the money either for ID tags or for the vet call to vaccinate to get the rabies tag. If the dog had a rabies vaccine and the owners put a collar on the dog they would most likely put the tag on the collar. 2- She does not seem to be housebroken. I would estimate by her teeth and size that she is about 1 year old. Old enough to be housebroken if she were not being kept as just a "yard dog". 3-She is very timid around people. She will cowar when coming up to you which means one of two things, either she was abused by her former owner or she has been "on the road" for a while and has been chased away by people when she was trying to find a home. 4- With the flea preventatives on the market today, it would take quite a while for a dog who was on the preventatives to become as flea infested as she was.

So, if this dog is one who has a kid looking for her, I would love to return her to her home. But my fear is that this dog has one of these idiot owners and if I try too hard I will actually find them and they will have this sweet dog back in a horrendous life where she will soon be in trouble out of wedlock and that will be her future. So, what I am thinking right now is that Carol's advice is the best. Ask in all the appropriate places if anyone has inquired about this dog and keep an eye out for lost dog notices as if this is a dog that is from a good family that needs it back, they WILL be looking for it. If on the other hand this dog is from a family that should not reproduce or own livestock, they are most likely not breaking their backs to find it as it is fairly irrelevent to them.

What do you all think?

[Fino1]

Cindy,

Looks and sounds to me like that purdy little gal has a new home and a loving lad to be her bestest friend.

Congrats to your family and her.
What's her name to be ?

Judy and Chloe the Bengal........who can also open doors (mine have handles too) unless they are locked, which was the case here. She was mifted when it wouldn't open.

Carol, did you take any photos of your Beasty Bengal up in her lofty perch?

[pasofantasy]

Cindy, as you said, she may have been on the road for a while, so the owners may think, that there's no way of possibly finding her or that something has happened to her by now. That owner wouldn't still be looking so hard. They may just scan the papers. I've replaced tags, so the lack of one doesn't mean, that the dog never had any.

One of my dogs, was found by tourists, in front of my neighbor's house injured. When inquiring at the pound or humane society, I was told to be careful with my ads and not be too specific. You want callers to be able to describe her to you. I was told, that some try to get free dogs to sell to research labs. This was several years ago, so I don't know if it's a problem now. You still don't want to give her to the wrong people either!

Right now, I'm a bit ahead of you with a younger puppy, that showed up here. I made phone calls and did flyers. I've already placed a free lost and found ad. I didn't even give the sex, just a statement about a pup and the small breed type and my general location. Someone called, wanting me to tell them, what I had. When I asked what he lost, he said, that he thought I might not want it.

She was a skinny little little puppy when we found her! I was concerned about giving her to the neighbor girl when she returned home and tried to claim her. Actually, the little girl just found her before I did and wasn't permitted to keep her. I forgot about the chips at first, so I have to get her scanned yet.

That dog is very pretty! Thanks for being so concened about her! It's so kind of you! That's a nice picture! The boy and dog look like happy buddies! If the dog was gone for really long time, another child may already have a new pal, too.

[Monty]

We had a dog that could lose his tags and/or collar at will - he was also "found" the one time he got out ,and we weren't home ,more than a mile from here - with another neighbor's dog ( mind you , ours was a neutered male ) at a female's in heat ! Guess he just went along as support :roll:

[Cam]

Just a thought. If you do advertise...do NOT describe the dog or post a picture. Make those who respond to the ad describe the dog they lost or are looking for. Some folks may try to claim a dog that doesn't belong to them.

We found a skinny sick kitty at the Walmart parking lot last summer. We advertised the approximate age and location found but nothing else. The few callers descriptions did not match the cat so he is still here.

As far as contacting your animal shelter, my sister in law had a beagle show up on her doorstep a while back. She did call the shelter but wanted to advertise the lost dog herself and would keep it if no one claimed it. They told her that legally she had to surrender the dog to the shelter, then pay the $80 adoption fee if it was not claimed after a set number of days. She surrendered the dog, then her cousin adopted it so he does come visit her on occasion. On the other hand, if someone lost the dog in the area they may have contacted the shelter in hopes it would show up there.

[Blameitonbrio]

Good idea to run an ad and not describe the dog. When I have done that in rescue, I always withhold information. And I think that someone who really cares would check the paper. Otherwise, you got yourself a new best friend!

[Pasogirlz]

Did anyone but me notice that Cindy and Carol just agreed about something AND it was on a dog thread. ;-) You see folks, wonders never cease.

The first thing I would do is have the dog scanned for the chip. They are really inexpensive these days so anyone can afford them. But I'm w/Carol....try...but not TOO hard. ;-)

So what are you calling her? :D

[Cindy]

We are caling her puppy. Don't want to name her until we know she's going to stick around. Carol and I actually agree on quite a lot. We are just fairly adamant about those things on which we do not. :D

[Minouri]

How about not running an ad but contacting the local shelters to see if someone is looking for this dog? Where would a responsible dog owner start? I'd head to shelters and vets first before looking through the newspaper for an ad.

Just a warning.....we found a dog that was full of fleas, worms, and actually had heartworm. We took it to the vet first because we have dogs and were afraid to mix them. We paid for it to be dewormed, deflead...and given a full vet check including bloodwork cause the poor little thing looked like it needed it. I think we passed the word to several local vets. It was a cute little hotdog dog and we figured it had a good home somewhere and had just gotten lost.

Some vet recognized the dog and told us that the owner lived in the town we found the dog. Did not think the dog had ever been cared for very well. When we called about the dog not only did the owner not offer to pay us back for the vet bill we had incurred......but had the audacity to ask us to pay for the heartworm treatment.....a couple hundred dollars....because she couldn't afford to bring the dog to the vet.

We talked to the local dog officer about the situation and to our vet. I think my then husband even called our lawyer. Apparently we couldn't prove more than that the dog had been lost...no serious abuse had occured. The fact that we knew she wasn't going to pay for the heartworm treatment did not seem to matter. :(

Since we had announced to the world that it was not our dog and that we had found it......there was not chance of keeping it.

Given the choice again..... I would not have looked too hard to find the owner. I still regret giving the dog back. She went as far as threaten to send the police for it. I cried like a baby for days after that. That was the day I came really close to becoming a criminal...lol...a kindergarten teacher sent to jail for stealing someone's dog? Sometimes I still wish I had. Maybe I should have sat in court and had that woman explain why she'd want a dog back that she was only going to let die anyway.

[Edurne]

This is what I would do given circumstances of seeing puppy in bed happily with new boy.

1. Take the puppy to a vet and have it checked for microchip (possibility 95% doesn't have one).
2. Leave notice in Kroger store, vague description.
3. Puppy is healthy, -take puppy home from vet and plan huge puppy and boy party.
4. Break open the kibbles and have puppy naming party. Boy to choose name

See how easy it was to make that decision.

[appyday]

Look around to see if the OWNER is trying to find her ....if they care they are looking for her..if they dont they wont and she is yours..good luck..thanks for getting her out of that parking lot...

[Cindy]

Edurne, I think we have a winner. Now can someone please tell me how to housebreak a year old dog who has no idea the difference in inside and outside? She was just outside with my husband, came in and peed on the floor. Luckily not the carpet but the hardwood. She has no clue. I cannot repromand her as she gets scared and pees if you even look at her wrong. Don't have a crate and have never used one before but may have to learn. I just hate putting them in a crate. :-? :cry:

[Minouri]

I vote for crate training....even if you only use it as transitional.

I've also trained adult dogs by treating them like puppies. When they move I take the outside to pee very frequently until they get the idea. You can give a word for what they do. I tell them to "Do your business" everytime. Followed by praise. They seem to understand that after a while. This only works if you're home all day. Otherwise you need the crate.

Unless the dog was raised in filth they usually won't mess where they "live". I believe that is the basis of crate training.

[Edurne]

Cindy, crates are actually wonderful. I had a german shepherd cross for 17 years, my best buddy. He was such a nervous dog that even if we had gone out riding xctry for 2 hrs (at a fast clip) he would still be too nervous to sleep. He would get up and follow me no matter how small the distance I was moving. I bought a crate. That became his home where he could sleep.

I have continued that with my second series of dogs. Understand that both
Rufus the xshepherd knew how to open the lock and the crate and taught that to my new dog Chita.

The crate sits in my office area with the door open for the most part, the young Bengal cat lies on top and guards the wooly sisters. The smallest dog, a bichon although house trained, if she wants to go in the middle of the night will make a puddle, outside the crate. perhaps that it is because I got her in the winter and trained her to a catbox. Very nice to keep them in the crate. No puddles.

The cage is their home and security - it is not a place of punishment and abandonment. We also don't have the dogs up in our living areas or beds because I am a bad dog mommy and they tend to roll around in cow splat and stuff, and I don't always get them washed.

[Minouri]

Cindy,

I just read the last part of your post again where you hate the idea of crate training. It's really a kindness in the end. If the dog doesn't get housebroken you probably won't keep it (at least not in the house) and it's chances of ever getting a good home elsewhere are pretty slim, too.

Plus the secondary method of giving it a good smack when it messes in the house is lower on the humane totem pole as far as kindness.

Don't know if I shared with you an eye opening coversation I had with a vet once about a muzzle. I had just adopted a dog in Florida that had been on it's own for a long time. Even on a leash that dog could catch rabbits and frogs. I couldn't seem to stop it. And I was afraid it would eat a poisonous frog or kill someone's cat.

I talked to the vet about what I could do to retrain it. She recommended a muzzle when I walked the dog. I said I could never muzzle a dog. It didn't seem humane.

She asked me what I did when the dog caught a rabbit.

I got really red and explained that I hung the dog upside by it's back legs and shook it till it let the rabbit go.

She said.....a muzzle seems kinder.

I hadn't thought of it that way.....because I hadn't viewed my emergency reaction to killing a rabbit as a "method". Once I put them both on the scale it was easy to see that a muzzle wasn't as bad as I'd thought.

A crate when used as a training method is a very effective and humane tool. When abused....it's a small place that contains a large animal for excessive amounts of time. I bet you can find some great advice here on how to start the process. Believe it or not many dogs start to put themselves in their crates when they want to rest. They feel safe there. Like a den.

[Edurne]

I use "hurry hurry" voice command for peeing. Started it when they were little puppies, and very useful because they respond very quickly if you are on a trip, and have to find a small piece of grass by a highway for them to "go".

[Blameitonbrio]

Yep...crate training. :D

[JennLM]

In my dog training classes I get people who don't understand the benficial side of crate training.

It helps them not only at home, but the vets, groomers, if you have to transport them.

Crates are not for punishment.

They are to keep the dog in a safe environment. It should be their den since dogs are denning creatures.

If you toss your dog in there yelling at them for peeing in the house and use it the wrong way of course it will backfire.

If you leave them in there too long it will backfire as well. The rule of thumb is an hour for every month they are up to 8 hrs max.

If your dog is a year old I would probably start them off for just a few
hours at a time building up the time.

Your dog did the double pee. Dogs that double pee I let them go outside start to walk in then back outside again.

Dogs have to pee 10-15 min after they eat or drink (so don't feed them or give them a drink and put them in their crate) and most times have to pee after they play or wake up. Don't keep food or water in the crate with them. Freefeeding can hinder a dog you arer trying to potty train since they can literally have to poop all day if they are eating all day.

If you catch them in the act a simple uh-uh then take them outside and when they go, praise. If you don't catch them in the act, suck it up, clean it up and move on with your life. Dogs are in the moment creatures which means they only know whats going on at that moment.

"Oh no Jenn, I saw Fluffy hiding behind the couch like he did something wrong so I knew he was guilty of (insert bad behavior)."

It's not that they knew they did something wrong but that when they do something wrong you have this reaction so they are playing off your reactions.

With as many rescues as I have had to train and all the hundreds in my classes, it really is the best solution.

The ONLY time is is not are dogs with SEVERE separation anxiety and only ever had 2, one of our rescues and one in class.

If you have any questions please feel free to PM me.

[Cindy]

I know that crates are not bad and are not punishment. I know that they become a place of security for the dogs. That is not why I don't want to put her in one. I just would rather be able to spend time with her when I am in the house instead of her being in the crate and me being somewhere else. Plus, my son is with her constantly today so I don't know when she would go in the crate. :lol: But that will change when he is not home all day too.

So, we have the flyers made up. My husband is going to post them at the Kroger and the two gas stations that share the Kroger parking lot. Will get her to the vet after the holidays and see if she is chipped. And we will see what happens.

[Pasogirlz]

I only used a crate for when I was not home or sleeping. The rest of the time I let my dog out so long as I was there to supervise her. I didn't trust her w/my shoes after she ate an especially expensive pair of heels. :evil:

[DSDECKERT]

Cindy, did you say underweight and full of fleas? Personally, I wouldn't post flyers but I would look in the lost section of the paper. There are some people out there who don't deserve their dogs back. Sorry folks, but I see too many irresponsible owners, next time this dog gets out, it may not be so lucky to have Cindy find it.

As far as housebreaking a year-old dog, shouldn't be too bad. Definitely get yourself a crate (I have one in the garage, but it'd probably cost more to ship it to you than go buy one!). If you take her out, and she does her business, make a huge fuss about it and give her a treat. If she doesn't - back in and into her crate for 30 mins.....try again. Eventually, she'll get it. My dog pees on command now - it's great when we travel.

Good luck!! Enjoy.

Has anyone seen the huge custody fight over the Hurricane Katrina St. Bernard? This dog was adopted by a family in Tampa, and now the people in N.O. want him back. I have to agree with the new owner, the dog was full of heart worms and had numerous health issues - none related to the hurricane. She said if the dog was healthy she'd have no problem giving him back, but she spend thousands of dollars getting him well.

[JennLM]

The other thing you can do is tethering.

We do that to some new dogs or puppies. We tie a bit of rope to their collar and around our waist so we have a visual on them the whole time.

[GeorgeGuns]

Quite a dilemma. I wouldn't look too hard either. The piddle problem though... definately crate. I think I'd keep her in there, let her out to eat, then go outside until she has done her business a few times (yes this could take a while) bring her back in for some love time, and put her back in her crate.

Paper training is another option, if she is consistent in where she is messing - put the paper in her favorite spots, and slowly reduce paper space while praising her for going outside. I'd also make a HUGE DEAL about just getting ready to go out - treats for the leash going on, treats for messing outside, etc.

[CarolU]

You know, on this subject, CNN had a story on yesterday, a video, about a Great Dane that lived in an 80-acre field. For 3 years two very nice women fed and watered the dog, but she'd always run when approached. Obviously had been very abused wherever she came from. This was in Denver and all year long. The field was slowing disapearing as new houses were being built all around it. During a recent hail storm the dog hid in a basement under construction and got trapped. Now it lives in a kennel and will finally come to the people who saved her for petting and attention. She's been wormed and is now on the road to recovery. This story had me in tears that someone could be so mean to such a sweet dog.

I know many dog owners like Cindy describes.

I think I'd check for reported dogs and call it close-enough.

For house training - When you're there, take the dog out every two hours to a 'piddle/poo spot' and watch her go, then reward her with a pat and "good girl" and then take her back inside. I'd crate her at night in the bedroom. When she whines, take her out. She'll soon learn to whine to go out, and to 'go' outside.

Good luck. She she is a pretty little thing.

Why do I always find Great Pyrannese and Great Danes?

[Edurne]

my dogs currently have free choice; chita has chosen to lie in her cage, and zuri is lying on a cushion by my feet.

[pasofantasy]

They like their crates even if it is a milk crate. That's where I put the puppy I found in June. I set it on its side when I was nearby, and she'd choose to sleep there. It didn't take long for her to outgrow it, but she'd still try to sleep there, sometimes just sticking her head inside.

[Blameitonbrio]

Jubilee often uses his paw to open his crate door (not if it is latched) and go in to lie down.

[Cindy]

OK, she's in the crate now. She has been sleeping for a while. I think Grant wore her out pretty good. Do I just wait until she starts moving around and take her out? Or do it at a certain time. She really has absolutely no idea that outside is for bathroom. I don't think that I have ever had a dog SOOO not housebroken. Usually they will at least go when you take them out to go even if they go in the house as well until they learn. Not her.

[Pasogirlz]

Ok, start her schedule now.
Take her out just before you go to bed, then put her back in. Leave her in all night and take her out first thing in the morning.
I don't know what you want to do during the day w/her, but you might keep her in a few days until she realizes that she Pee Pee time is when she first comes out of the crate only. (but take her out a few times during the day to get the idea, just don't leave her out yet)
Also start feeding her on a schedule. Feed her about an hour before you take her out the last time tonight.
**How many times a day are you going to feed her?
If in the morning feeding too, take her out first, then come back and feed her. Then take her back out 45 minutes later. Back in the kennel.

That's my two cents. ;-)

[Blameitonbrio]

When she is stirring, take her out right away. When she goes, lots of praise.
When I was doing rescue, I used to tell people that not being housebroken is usually the easiest stray baggage there is to deal with. Most dogs house break very naturally with the structure and security of crate training. Make sure the crate is not big enough that she can use one end of it and sleep in the other -- especially since she has no problem going in the house.

[Blameitonbrio]

Your dog did the double pee. Dogs that double pee I let them go outside start to walk in then back outside again.


Double pee...ROFL!!! I didn't know it had a name. It seemed like many of my rescues did the double pee!

[Cindy]

Lori, I usually free feed my dogs which I will do with her after she is housebroke. For now I am thinking feed twice a day and get her on a good schedule. I am thinking that for a while she will have to stay in the crate most of the time until she learns to go outside. Once she is housebroke, I will probably leave the crate open so she can go in and out as she pleases. So you think that I can let her sleep with Grant at night and keep her in the crate during the day if she is taken out first thing in the morning? Or does she have to stay in the crate at night for now?

Jeany, the crate looks like the perfect size for her. She takes up most of the length when she is lying flat out. Hope she gets this soon. I think this is the only way to teach her. If you even bend over to pet her she cowers with her tail between her legs and pees herself so you cannot even pick her up to put her outside if you think she needs to go. If I want her to come to me I have to get down first and then call her and she will come withuot peeing all over. Someone has really literally scared the piss out of her. She is less scared of me than my husband which may just be because I am the one who found her. But could be that a man was pretty rough with her. She seems to like to be under the porch or deck when she is outside so I am thinking that is where she lived before. :-?

[Pasogirlz]

I was suggesting leaving her in at night for now just in case she decided to have a tinkle during the night...by leaving her in for the first few nights this will teach her to hold it thru the night. After she gets the idea that you will take her out first thing in the morning, you won't have to keep her in at night.

[JennLM]

I would never bend over a dog especially a submissive pee-er to boot.

Kneel down to the side and reach under, less threatening that way.

Don't talk excitedly to the dog because that can trigger the submissive pee.

Now if the dog is free fed getting house trained can be more difficult since they have to poo 15 min or so after they eat. It can also set up a dog for behavioral problems by letting it eat when it wants and not controlling the food as an Alpha should do.

[Edurne]

I know it's going to be sad keeping puppy away from boy in bed for the time being. but until that pee stuff is fixed the puppy is going to probably do it in the middle of the night too. I also use a special pee spot as a training spot. I free feed.

[Cindy]

New problem. What do I do if she pees in her crate RIGHT AFTER she has gone outside? :roll: :(

[Edurne]

no she won't do that...... maybe once. make kennel lovely place to be. That is where we play "who loves chita best" when I put in clean bedding. Some people say small crate..... won't soil where it sleeps; but I have never had any problem with huge crate.

[Blameitonbrio]

Sounds like the double pee to me! :lol: Stay out until she has gone twice. As she gets used to her crate, she will see it as her den and not use it for a potty.

One thing that helps in conjunction with crate training, is giving them space little by little as they can handle it. For instance, you might gate off your kitchen and keep the crate in there for now. When you are there, let her loose and just keep the crate opened if she wants to go in. She will get comfortable in that room and as she acclimates and starts to potty outside, you can give her access to more of the house. Of course, you watch her personality to see what she can handle.

I took in several foster Labs who had never been in a house, and some of them were frightened in the house. I had to teach them to like it. One Lab I took from Wake County Shelter was so traumatized and frightened that she was peeing as I carried her from the shelter; she wouldn't walk. Then when I got her home, I had to carry her into the house, because she wasn't going. I lured her into the house with a trail of cheese every evening and put her in her crate in my bathroom. I was so happy when she one day crossed the threshold on her own and headed for the bathroom.

Your little friend may not be that uneasy, but she may be unused to a house and giving her little bits to get used to at a time might be best.

[Cam]

Make sure its not a health related issue with the peeing. I had a female dog get a urinary tract infection before. Just something to consider.

http://ncbr.org/info/housebreak.htm

You may find some useful info here. I didn't read through it.

[dana]

We adopted a female dog a little over a year ago from the local shelter who frequently tinkled on herself when you reached out to pet her. the vet told us it is a sign of submission and once they get used to a new place it would resove itself and it finally did. we always feed second meal of the day at 7pm and last time out is 10pm.

i think this new pup looks pretty happy to me. all i can say is screen anyone looking to take her back. i fell for the "my kid is crying themselves to sleep at night" line and gave back a dog once. it later cost me three surgeries on her and $600. i won't mention how she came into my possesion the second time around . . . .

[CarolU]

I rescued a male dog that peed everytime you looked at him. We named him "Pee"....finally moved him outside.

[Cindy]

no she won't do that...... maybe once. make kennel lovely place to be.

Oh, yes she will. Have gotten her out of the crate twice today and both times she has peed. I do not know if she had already peed before we got her out or if she did it when we went in to get her or both. Came home tonight, fed her at 11:00, took her for a walk at 11:15, came back in at 12:00 and she still has not gone. This is the first time that I have used a leash as she has been staying right around the house so no problem with her running away. But I decided that I wanted to SEE her go as I have only actually seen her go one time outside and when she saw me see her, she stopped. When she goes out all she wnats to do is go back inside. She really does not seem to know HOW to use the outside facilities.

She is back in the crate now and I will try again shortly to take her for a walk. I feel that I have GOT TO stay out there with her until she goes or she will never get it. Ya'll, I have have tons of dogs all my life. I have never had a problem housebreaking ANY of them. This dog is different. I just hope that I have the time and energy to get her to figure this out as this is a VERY busy time right now. Anyone know a good dog trainer in Dawsonville? :mad:

[Fino1]

Gosh Cindy I was just thinking that very same thing...........VERY BUSY TIME ....... and wondering how in the heck you were handling all this potty training on top of everything else?

I've got to hand it to you for giving this poor pup a second chance.
You go girl, we are all with you!

Judy and Chloe the Bengal who is pooped out from howling at the door, hoping it would magically open.

[Cindy]

Thanks, Judy. Managed to get a pee this time but no poop. Will try again later.

[Cindy]

Thank God, POOP!!! Never thought I would be so exited to see a dog do that. Gave her some more food and water when we came back in last time as I do not think she drank any water when she ate the last time. Put her back in the crate. She started whining, took her back to the same place she peed and she went right away. Now we get to play for a little while before "back in box" (movie reference, anyone know which one?) And we will just hope that she does not pee herself when we get her out in the morning. I think we are on the right track though. Now I just have to find the energy to go to work tomorrow. Was up with the vet (breeding stuff, no emergency) at 8:00 this morning so it has been a very long day. Wish us luck. :roll:

[JennLM]

Wish I were closer but feel free to PM me since I am a professional dog trainer. ;-)

[DebJ]

We just got a puppy. He also had the submissive pee going for a few days at first, when we went to put his collar on to take him out. He was 3months old. He stopped that once he understood what we were doing. Took a couple of days. Just take it like a puppy attitiude. Everything is NEW!! Ours did not live in the house either where he was from.
And he got things backwards for a few days, would not go outside and did things in the diningroom. Just stepped up the frequency to go out. They have to go sometime, and if you take them out alot then you have to get it outside once in awhile and praise :lol: This took about a week to straighten him out intirely!! After that, he has not done anything in the house and is 6 months old. Took about 3 weeks to do this.
He has a crate, loves it--sleeps in it on his own. We have had 5 dogs in our married life, and this is the first crate we have used, but would do it again !! He sleeps with us at night, but is not doing anything in the house. We also only let him have our room to be in, not the whole house. He slept in crate all night at first. He did not do anything in there, but this is new to this dog too. Give her some time. Keep things consistant. I find this works well too.
Good luck, and follow all this good advice from everyone here, and things will get better quickly.

[Blameitonbrio]

Cindy, it sounds like the routine is starting to click and you are on the right track. That's an important part of this: routine. I would keep the routine strict for a while and before you know it, she will have it.

I was going to ask you if she would pee in front of you. Sometimes a submissive pee-er is uneasy peeing in front of higher ranking pack members. I do think she will settle in on that too though. Right now, the crate is a safe place for her to pee. (Not to imply that is ok. I think the routine will make her feel safe going elsewhere.)

As for professional dog trainers, if you have a PetSmart nearby, you can check there. They have good classes for basic stuff, and they use positive/reward methods. Ifyou look elsewhere, I would steer clear of places that use more negative methods. Just something to look out for. My first experience with dog training was with what I call the "gestapo method," and I hated what they did to my dogs. I was too young and inexperienced to know that there were better methods out there. It was a mistake I learned a lot from.

Since this is a busy time of year, classes are time-consuming, and you do know a little bit about training :lol: , then pm'ing Jenn with questions might be the way to go. You can't go wrong there.

[JennLM]

LOL Jeany I'm an ex-PS trainer who went on her own. "Pawsitive Solutions" is my training. I take their training back before they changed it a bit recently. I did not like the new changes as it was not as good as before. I have only met 2 dogs who needed a bit more then simple positive training and they had police working lines behind them and were out of control.

If you are consistant things will work out.

Often enough too large a crate can encourage peeing. They truly only need enough room to stand up, turn around and lay down. The crates that grow with the dog are awesome as you control how big the crate is. In the plastic crates I have had people make a mound of rolled towels to take up the extra room.

[Cindy]

Thanks Jenn but I think we are on the right track now. Her crate is the right size for her I think she is peeing when my husband goes to get her out. I have not had the problem when I get her out but he got her out again this morning and she peed. She did, however, go outside to her spot and pee and poop so she is coming along fine. I think having that late night and spending the time with her that I did made her understand what we want. Just have to re-enforce now until it is set in.

Jeany, she would most definitely NOT respond to any rough handling. I think if I yelled at her she would come unglued. Much less reprimand her in any way. The dogs are not allowed in our bedroom. She came walking in there last night as I had gone in there for something. I told her in a normal voice "no, not in here" while walking toward her a bit and pointed out the door and she turned and went out. She is very sensitive. Thus the peeing all over thing. Hopefully we will get over that soon enough. Luckily I have wood floor and not carpet. :D

Thanks for all the advice everyone.

[motorgypsy]

We also had a female dog who would pee all over herself when we got home because she was so happy to see us. It was the submission pee. She did not get over it but was an outside dog so it really wasn't a major problem. She had survived canine distemper and we wondered if she didn't have some nerve damage as well.

Our 12 inch female beagle was terrible to house break but we just stayed out with her until she finally went. We carried with us a carton of the little cat yummies and when she finally went she got one. Well she caught on really fast (beagles don't work for free!!) and being a very smart dog, learned that if she'd squat ten times during her walk, she got ten yummies.

We eventually trained her to go inside as she was an apartment dog. We made her a litter pan using heavy plastic and sod we got at a lawn and garden center. We walked her on her leash to the sod which was on our upstairs apartment patio and when she went, we gave her the yummy. She learned very quickly and when the sod died, we just bought some more. We would scoop the poop off it each time she used it. It was really great for both of us because if we were delayed getting home she had her inside bathroom so she wasn't miserable. It also kept her from getting fleas. We left the sliding glass door to the patio open just enough so she could get out to the patio. We also had one inside in the laundry room in one apartment.

Good luck with your new "child"!!

[Fino1]

YIPPEE......on the covevetted road (is that word?) to a 'peefreehouse'!

So Cindy, what's her name to be? "Pfree"? IF you say that fast it's kinda cute. :D :rofl

Judy and Chloe the Bengal who is busy being bored

[Cindy]

MGs, I think she may have some Beagle in her as she moves like a Beagle and has similar temperament.

Judy, we still have not named her but we used to have a dog named P-man so we joked about naming her P-girl. He got his name because when we found him we started calling him Puppy-man. We never did name him and just started calling him P-man. He was a great dog. Found him by the side of the road lost when I was on the way to a clinic in California. Brought him home and deposited him in bed with my sick husband. Ever since then he was the most grateful dog you have ever seen. My son still misses him and he was only like four years old when the dog died. I cannot believe he still remembers him but he does.

[motorgypsy]

That explains a lot! We LOVE beagles but they don't work for free. Our son took an animal behavior course and the instructor said beagles were untrainable. Ours was very easy to train as long as she got treats. If she didn't - forget it! They are such happy and funny dogs and great inside and out but they will wander if they aren't restricted and they do live to run, eat and "beagle" which is what we call their bark. I love the sound of it! Kyle and our beagle would sit and "beagle" at each other for a an hour. He speaks fluent beagle!

[Cindy]

They do love to run. We had one that started hanging around here and we loved her to death but she liked to run and we do not have a fenced yard. She ran off when we were out of town about 2 months and several hundred dollars of vet work after we found her. The girl who was house-sitting put out flyers and we found that she had run through the woods to a neighbor's house when her daughter was visiting. Daughter took her home. :roll: After we got home, Dane went down to their house to get her and found that she had found a wonderful little kid and a fenced backyard. Needless to say, he left her there. Sometimes we are just a stop on their way to the life they are supposed to have.

This one does not seem to have that Beagle run factor though. When she is out, she stays very close to the house and watches the house all the time like that is where she wants to be. I think whatever else she is has overcome that particular Beagle trait. If indeed she does have Beagle, that is.

[Fino1]

Cindy,

I got it............PFreeBee or just FreeBee..........when she becomes PFree in the house........I'm ona roll here, can ya tell?

Hay, when are you flying into Vegas? Is your other half coming with? Are you judging or showing? Long haul for that but then what isn't anymore, gas wise I mean.

I'm getting in the morning of the 27th.......so if you are bringing horses, I'm available to lacky or whatever.
Just a thought. (shovel too!)

Judy and Chloe the Bengal who thinks she is a Beagle in a Bengal suit.

[Cindy]

Neither showing nor judging. Just enjoying the show. We are flying in the Sunday before the show and driving to California for a few days. We will drive back to Vegas on Friday and fly out Monday. Dane and Grant are both coming with and Grant's birthday is the 30th. He will be 9. Don't all 9 year olds go to Vegas for their birthdays?

[JennLM]

EEEeeeeeeek Driving from southern Cali to Vegas on a Friday is horrific, seriously. Non-stop traffic from mid-afternoon until 8pmish or so.

[Cindy]

Hmm, didn't think about that. I had originally planned to go back up on Thursday but wanted to have another day with the family out there so changed to Friday. May have to rethink though and drive up Thursday night. Thanks, I had forgotten about that.