Researching bloodlines - country of origin

[djculp]

We prefer to have as much Puerto Rican blood as possible in the horses we purchase, but don't know how to get that info from looking at a horse's pedigree. Are there any quick tips you can share, or is it as difficult as I fear? I miss the good old days when it was listed on the registration certificate.

[SandyMM]

List your potential horses here - we can help... or PM me.

[Red Ryder]

The only way you now have available to you [other than someones knowledge] is you must have a printed copy of the stud book [I have one]
and in the old generations it still lists the animal as imported from whichever country and you can work backwards from there.

I'll be glad to help you if you will list or PM me the full name and/or the reg number.

[LynnG]

List some horse names or links from pasoregistry.com and I bet you'll get alot of responses from oldtimers.

[cristy]

[quote="Red Ryder"]The only way you now have available to you [other than someones knowledge] is you must have a printed copy of the stud book [I have one]


How does one come up with a printed copy of the stud book?? I would LOVE to have one! :D

[motorgypsy]

Perhaps someone can copy one for you???

As far as PPR experts if you go to the Pure Puerto Rican Federation website Gail Brown and others can help you. On here besides Sandy we have Candice Burger and Barb Preiss among others who are extremely knowledgeable about Puerto Rican Paso Finos. But if you go back on any horse's pedigree and see Kofresi and in particular Dulce Sueno you can be pretty sure that line is Puerto Rican.

[Hollis D. Gammon]

you can still get them from PFHA unless they have stopped recently. They are pricey like $150

For someone to try and copy you one will be a real pain. they are printed on both sides of the paper and they are 2 huge notebooks [3 or 4 inch notebooks] full

[Candice Burger]

Well, I'd like to say there's shortcuts to this, but really there isn't.

Studying pedigrees is the best way to learn about recognizing names and associating them with different countries. After a while it will become evident that some naming patterns are Colombian, Puerto Rican, or Peruvian.

As far as traits go, study the horses first, learn the traits you like and then find out what the pedigree is. This will help focus on what type of bloodlines carry the traits you like.

With the exception of one or two very specific and subtle traits, I've yet to see a wholesale monopoly by one strain or the other. There's always an individual out there that doesn't follow the general trend. For these very specific traits, find someone that is an expert in Puerto Rican horses and have them teach you what to look for and explain to you the importance of those traits.

And to be bluntly honest, either go to a PPR show in the USA with an expert or go to Puerto Rico to truly learn the CORRECT PPR phenotypes and what families carry which traits so that you can focus on specific bloodlines within the breed. The cost of that investment will reward you for decades to come as a breeder. A week in Puerto Rico will give you a lifetime of "memory" to work with while choosing horses. Because if you decide to work with mixes (PPR/COL crosses), you will need to recognize how much PPR influence you are seeing to give some hint to inheritance.

Some great horses:

Male: Don Toqui, Campanero, Kopeki, Cuentas Claras, Kofresi, Cialito, Cupido, Replica de Majestuoso, Labriego, Don Coqui, Omega de Bucanero, Siboney el Brujo, Don Neco, Botofogo, Bucanero II, Toledo, Finesse, Carabali, Faeton LaCe, Furioso, Freko, Fleco (de Oro), Recuerdo, Marichal, Bolero, Volare, Huapungo, Dilema, Copita, Dije, Medio Dia, Retazon, Mr. Puerto Rico, Primor, Retador, Pisa Flores, Picaflor, Relicario, El Cheche AND the obvious--Arco Iris, Guamani, Batalla, Dulce Sueno, Regalo, and Nochebuena

Female: Nevada, Galana, Emperatiz, Tona la Negra, Liz, Sorpresa, Magia Negra, La Coca, Sofia la Negra, Santa Elena, Santa Rita, Marina, Salinas, La Rucia, La Garza, Miss Puerto Rico, Miss Cayey, Wendolyn, La Monua

There's plenty more but these are the ones I thought of off the top of my head.

For PPR stud books--they are printed out, but I'm not sure when or how to get one. I was lucky to get a recent one while in PR by happenchance. I'm not aware that there is one available in the USA for the PPR Federation here.

[sporthorse]

Lindsay has APF & PFOBA & older pFHA stud books with old import origins in them and Federation stud book(PR stud books in print) the PR Federation book is very old though(80's) I think :shock: You may contact her? she is an origins bloodlines researcher for the thrills. :roll: If I am in trouble it is for a worthwhile cause.I hope you find exactly what you seek.

[Kerry W]

Be sure someone videotapes the carnage Ed! :lol: :lol: