Wish us luck and prayers

[andrea]

My son has been fighting to get custidy of his daughter for 3 years now. She has had 17 blackeyes, hand marks on her back and a broken arm. She is only 4. She is going to a counsilor. This counsilor uses horses. This little girl loves animals, so it worked very well. She tells the counsilor everything. Mother has also locked her in the closet. Grandaughter says to me, Nana I cry and cry for you but you dont hear me. I am really beginning to hate this mother.
We have spent 30 thousand on lawyers so far. Have had 6 lawyers. No one cares about the child. The lawyers start out saying yes, they will fight for us but after they talk to the guardian they say. Why not give this mother another chance. On to the next lawyer. How many chances does she deserve? Now she has filed in court to take this child out of state. This child hates her mother. On mothers day they were making cards and a plant for mother. She found out who it was for and threw it on the ground and stomped on it.
Long story short. We finally found a lawyer that will help us. We go to court tomorrow for the guardians recommendation. Guardian is such a liar. She suggested to us that the blackeyes were all caused from toys. Last week grandchild came home with another blackeye. Counsilor called children services for the second time. Again they called guardian and they did nothing. Child told counsilor that mommy got mad at her and hit her and then hit the clock. (Mother was late for work) Lawyer filed in court to get temperary custidy until the investigation of children services is done. Judge called guardian and refused us.
Guardian has refused to set up and appointment with childs doctor and guardian.
This is how children fall thru the system and end up badly abused or dead
.If this mother gets custidy of this child, son and I will have to move where ever she moves to. This would mean selling my dream farm and most of my horses.
Son is a diabetic. He is in good health but a couple times a year he ends up in the hospital. Flu or just run down. So as a mother I feel I need to help him the best I can. This is his only child and they are so close. Wish us luck and send your prayers. Thanks.

[JennLM]

I REALLY hope it goes your way. For every reason there is your son deserves custody and will be sending positive thoughts that way for sure. Poor child. :cry:

[Terri]

You are beginning to hate the mother!? Just reading through your post I hate her already. How can this happen!? There must be child protective services. Or how 'bout agencies that advocate for abuse victims. Who appointed this so called guardian? How 'bout the couselor? Can she testify on your behalf? You are definitely in my thoughts and prayers.

[Pasogirlz]

Many many prayers headed your way for good luck in court. That situation sounds terrible for all involved. :mad: Your son is very lucky to have your support.

[DebbieS]

Oh, how sad for that little girl. Is there a way you could be her guardian until this is sorted out? I just watched a show on MSNBC called 'Children in Crisis' and the grandparents were allowed to take the children until everything was settled... just a thought.

Good luck with everything! They need to sterilize 'mom' when all this is over!

[qltrlori]

I would reach my hand through my computer monitor to strangle that "mother" if I could. It is so hard to understand how a child can be left in this situation. KEEP FIGHTING FOR HER - YOU ARE HER ONLY HOPE!!! Maybe next time she has an injury you can take her in to the police station or emergency room or doctor and have it documented. Keep trying! Try different things!

My cousin just reported a case of child abuse on a 3 month old baby girl. It turns out she had 18 fractures and was near death. The "mother" is 17,and works with my cousin, and afraid of the "father". My cousin was VERY clever and arranged for the baby girl to be seen by a doctor. Now the "father" is in jail, and the baby is in a foster home.

Good luck, best wishes and I will pray for you and your grand daughter!

Lori

[Barbwire]

What a heartbreaking story. Gosh, I feel like I've just witnessed an accident.

You all will be in my meditations.

[Carol Nelson]

How awful...wish there were something I could do for you...you will be in my prayers. Hang in there and keep fighting!

[Linda Y]

Don't give up. :(

[andrea]

Terri, The mother of this child is just not a person that is ever going to make a good mother. She wanted a abortion but son was dead against it. The child looks and acts just like my son. Mother was also abused as a child. Yes, i do hate what she is doing to my grandchild. But I also know that she needs professional help. And Ihave offered to pay for it. The guardian told me in a e-mail she is not here to protect the child. JUst to give a recomendation. Can you believe that.? Son sent a letter to Gov. Taft. He is the head of the children protective services. Gov. called him and talked with him for over a hour. He could not believe that this all was happening but could not do anything to help. Children services said to take this problem to court and settle it there. Guardian is protecting the mother and we can't get past her. Guardian hates my son. This is the second guardian. First one sent mother a letter telling her that he agreed with her getting custidy but with son having child 75 % of the time and paying all bills, clothes , insurance, and daycare that he could not give her custiday. Took this to the judge and he excused this guardian.

So the mother's lawyer asked the courts for them both to have psch. test done. We knew this was going to happen so son has already took one from a very high up psch. and also he is a lawyer. Our lawyer could not believe that we got him. Said he was one of the best in Ohio. He passed the psch. test with flying colors. He will be in court for us. So will her doctor and her counsilor. We also had son to take a lie detector test from a professional about what grandaughter was telling him about getting hit. According to test he is telling the truth.

We have covered all the bases. But the court system STINKS. Yes, we will keep on fighting even if we have to follow her to other states. We must protect this child anyway we can.

Thanks for listening.

[baileyholc]

Good luck. I am going to court tomarrow for childsupport from my X. I just hope he don't ask for another continuance.

[PASOFAN]

(((hugs)))) just tragic what is happening, I will pray for everyone involved, especially the little girl...

I am currently in a custody battle of sorts, getting guardianship of my little sister, so far so good. Nothnig compared to your son's challenges.. Stay strong.

[Brigitte]

I really really really hope your son gets custody and SOON, good luck!!

[motorgypsy]

Just a suggestion but if you are spending all this money on lawyers - why not a private investigator to get proof of what is going on. Why not a hidden camcorder taping mom. In FL if there is just a hint of this sort of thing they will have someone out investigating immediately so it's hard to understand why it's like this where you are???

[tinomino]

Don't give up. My prayers are with you and your son. I can't believe they aren't doing anything. When I was young my sister tripped on a marker and fell down the stairs and had a bunch of bruises. Well she told her friend at school that our dad hit her because she was mad he wouldn't let her do something. Well we had DSS at our house for like three months doing interviews and follow-ups and they were all gun-ho about taking us away if my dad was hurting us. Which he WAS NOT. It's just not right how when a child really needs help you can't get it and then when it's nothing it gets all blown out of porpotion (sp?). Good luck to you and your son.

[pasohappy]

that mean mother, she is keeping that child for spite, and taking out her hate on that little girl. She is not in her right mind, for sure. I think I have a big *** kicking boot around here somewhere, sure could use it on her. My prayers for the the safe return to her father, and grandmother. My prayers are flying your way.

[PasoPerson38]

You will certainly be in my prayers.

Lord God bring this troubled family strength, hope, faith and courage to over come their fears, worries, and problems. Help them to say Yes Father when times get the hardest. Guide them when they feel lost. Surround them when they feel alone. Lord God bring this loving caring family a sign, a sign that eases their pain and lets them realize you are in control. AMEN

[pasofantasy]

I'm so sorry! Children are a gift to be treasured, not abused. I'm praying for protection for the girl, custody for the father, and strength for you to continue the fight.

[Jasfino]

Lord God bring this troubled family strength, hope, faith and courage to over come their fears, worries, and problems. Help them to say Yes Father when times get the hardest. Guide them when they feel lost. Surround them when they feel alone. Lord God bring this loving caring family a sign, a sign that eases their pain and lets them realize you are in control. AMEN

Amen..

Next time it happens.. take her to your dr. to document the bruises. A dr. by law is required to report any instance of abuse. Maybe if a few more people get on the so called "guardians" case.. they will get a little more encouraged to do something about it. I cant understand any Social Service not investigating and taking action against the mother in this instance. I am assuming this guardian is a SS appointed figure?

[qltrlori]

Next time it happens.. take her to your dr. to document the bruises. A dr. by law is required to report any instance of abuse. Maybe if a few more people get on the so called "guardians" case.. they will get a little more encouraged to do something about it. I cant understand any Social Service not investigating and taking action against the mother in this instance. I am assuming this guardian is a SS appointed figure?

Yes, I agree. The guardian is just as sick as the mother. Take her to the Dr.. Take her to the ER, take her to the Urgent Care. Take her to the chiropractor, I don't know, just document, document, document. What kind of SICK person would protect a child abuser! Take the guardian to court!

Be STRONG! Have the courage to expose these sick people!~

We're on your side!

Lori

[andrea]

We can not believe what happened in court this morning. The guardian said it was to be shared custidy but they took most of my sons hours away. He just gets her every other weekend and on wednesday for 2 hours. This is so unreal. Grandaughter will not even be able to go to her counsilor. Probably just what the guardian wants.

The recommandation from the psch. was to give mother custidy but give my son more time. Son already had her 70 % of the time. Does this make since? And her mother works full time so she will have to go to daycare instead of being with my son.

Answering your question. We have taped everything and also taken pictures of all of her black eyes and brusies. We have called police and taken her to the emergency. She admited to children services that her mother hits her in the head and puts her in the closet. We tried to get a appointment with the guardian, counsilor and her doctor to meet and discuss these problems and guardian called and cancled the appt. and will not re-schedule it.

Well, I did get into a arguement with the guardian when she said that 13 black eyes were caused from toys. And that the mother had no idea how the hand marks and brusies got on her back. She really thinks that she is god. And so far she is god. Unreal.

We have another court date in Oct. I pray that god keeps our grandchild safe.

[JennLM]

I am so sorry that happened in court today. I REALLY hope your next court date is better.

I honestly can't blame some parents who kidnap their own kids to keep them safe. It sucks the law works against this kind of thing.

[qltrlori]

I honestly can't blame some parents who kidnap their own kids to keep them safe. It sucks the law works against this kind of thing.

I was just thinking the same thing. In fact, I would hope I had the nerve to do it if it came to that.

I hope the "mother" moves to a state where they'll throw the book at her.

That "guardian" should be ashamed of herself. I have one kid that is really clumsy and one that we call Dennis Kneivel, and another missing his left arm and not one of them has ever had even one black eye. To think a kid could get thirteen by accident is beyond absurd.

Good luck and God bless. I am rooting for you!

Lori

[songbird]

I think I would be calling the newspapers and asking them if they want a story. Make this story as loud as you can possibly make it to drag as much attention to it as possible. These people don't want their professional names out in the open like that for bad publicity, might just be the kick in the butt they need to get this sorted properly, in the best interest of the child. Go to your legislators, talk to anyone in the gov't that has anything to do with laws protecting children, talk to any celeb, investigative reporter, newspaper, official, anything to make this loud and out there.

[andrea]

We have went to the newspaper and they will not get involved in this sort of thing. We also sent a letter to Taft again. No help. He sent it to children services.

I woke up this morning and realization hit me in the face. This guardian has put this child right into harms way for more time. More time for this child to get abused. I quess yesterday I was in shock. We are thinking about inlarging her blackeye pictures and chaining our selves to the courthouse stairs.

My son can not go underground with the child. He is a diabetic and needs med. care. But don't think we havent thought of it. But if we were to lose my son we would lose the child for sure.

My son was so sick yesterday after court he kept telling me he was going to throw up all day. I feel so bad for him. He has been a great father since this child was born. The YMCA has aked him to be the youth pastor at there site. He is a great young adult and doesn't deserve this.

We will keep on trying.

[Jane Hurl]

Andrea, I hope your son takes the YWCA up on their offer. It will look good on his "resume" for custody.

I am both astonished and sickened by your story. This child deserves much better.

Can you go after this "guardian" in court? ("Guardian" of what?) It would seem to me that if her/his job is to guard the child, you have an obvious case of incompetence, or worse.

Up here we have Child Protective Services. Anyone knowing of child abuse is obliged by law to report it (anonymously) on a hotline. Do you have such a thing? Could you get neighbours of this "mother" to call? What about caregivers at daycare? They, too, have an obligation to report child abuse.

I wish you God's speed in getting this child away from that monster.

[Brigitte]

Here's hoping all goes better in October

[hast]

I am so sorry that happened to a small defenseless child. It is beyond my comprehension how anyone can put a child in harms way... and even if the "guardian" likes and believes the mother, there should be a thourough investgation whith all involved since there are charges against her.
Hugs to you, I hope this gets resolved in October if not before.

[appyday]

You need a hit man...I mean woman....sorry JMO

[Blameitonbrio]

Andrea, you are all in my prayers.

[andrea]

Jane, The guardian said she is not a guardian to protect the child. That her job is to give a recommendation as to which parent she would be better off to live with. She e-mailed me this in a letter. So yes, I copied this e-mail and it will be taken into court with us. Son has lots of help over the internet with lawyers in other states. And yes were are filing in civil court against her. Plus the psch. that gave son the test. He also talked to the grandaughter and grandaughter told him that her mother hits her and is mean. I do believe that this psch. had to report this to childrens services. HE did not. But did write this in his report. So we will be filing one against him also. The legal system is corrupt. ?(spelling) And it takes alot of money to try and right the wrong. Son is putting a web site up on on this matter. And we will be standing on the court house stairs with flyers soon. Thank you for all the concern and advice. Keep us in your prayers especially the grandaughter.

[lisa l aka marci]

I wish you were in NY - I would definitely make a 'visit'.....as a Peace Office I am obligated by LAW to report suspected child abuse - and from my training this meets the criteria!

Please remember you have a LOT of support here - and I'm sure anyone who can will do what they can to help you!

[appyday]

Yep this sounds as crazy as it comes...