Candice Burger
08-10-2006, 01:02 PM
Pinto breeders take heart--if I can confirm some recent information, I'm about to eat crow on what I've said about the pinto horses of Puerto Rico.
The horse "Apache" appeared on the pedigree of a great mare called Wendolyn. Wendolyn is the mother of Cuentas Claras, one of the most influential PPR sires.
I was told that Wendolyn was "crazy"; she had too much brios and was difficult. Wendolyn's mother's father was a horse called Conquistador. Conquistador is shown as Apache X Vicky.
In pedigrees of imported horses from PR, Apache shows up as a MARE. Apache is a STALLION. I have confirmed this several ways. Apache was bred by Wilfredo Bertran, the breeder of Kopeki and Cuentas Claras. I was told that he liked pintos--"good" pintos and Apache was a pinto.
The person telling me this got his information from the rider of Apache and he also saw a picture of Apache hanging on a wall in the rider's house. The rider was Minin (sp?) Kuilin, the father of Negro Kuilin, one of the best PPR trainers right now. Mr. Kuilin claims that Apache was an excellent example of a PPR and was a great horse to ride; very quick with good brios. I don't know when, but I hope to get a copy of this picture of Apache for everyone to see. Apache is also registered in the Federation stud book as "pinto".
Apache's father was Ponce. Ponce is a full brother to the mare Juana de Arco, one of the most influential mares in my opinion. Ponce and Juana de Arco are in Wendolyn's pedigree. Both are offspring of Guamani X Carioca. In a recent visit to see Mr. Bertran, I asked about the horse Ponce because I noticed he was used frequently by Mr. Bertran. He said the horse was a very good animal. Mr. Bertran purchased Juana de Arco as one of several foundation brood mares. He named her as 1 of 5 mares that he considered his best mares. The horses I saw back in the early 80s from Juana de Arco had excellent brios and power. I was always impressed with this mare line.
Apache's mother is Primavera or somtimes as Primavera II. I have no other information about the mare. In a discussion with another PPR breeder about mares, Puerto Rico did not consider mares seriously. So, many times there would be a very good mare but no background check and no pedigree research about her. That is why there is allot of vacant pedigrees behind a mare. I hope Mr. Kuilin or Mr. Bertran might know more.
For the horses in PFHA with Apache as a mare; I doubt the authenticity of the pedigree. It appears that Apache was used when a pinto was imported to substantiate the color pattern for the military horses. I don't know if Mr. Bertran had business with any of the military at the time the horses were shipped stateside. I'll be checking timelines, dates, and hope to speak to Mr. Bertran again about this subject.
The horse "Apache" appeared on the pedigree of a great mare called Wendolyn. Wendolyn is the mother of Cuentas Claras, one of the most influential PPR sires.
I was told that Wendolyn was "crazy"; she had too much brios and was difficult. Wendolyn's mother's father was a horse called Conquistador. Conquistador is shown as Apache X Vicky.
In pedigrees of imported horses from PR, Apache shows up as a MARE. Apache is a STALLION. I have confirmed this several ways. Apache was bred by Wilfredo Bertran, the breeder of Kopeki and Cuentas Claras. I was told that he liked pintos--"good" pintos and Apache was a pinto.
The person telling me this got his information from the rider of Apache and he also saw a picture of Apache hanging on a wall in the rider's house. The rider was Minin (sp?) Kuilin, the father of Negro Kuilin, one of the best PPR trainers right now. Mr. Kuilin claims that Apache was an excellent example of a PPR and was a great horse to ride; very quick with good brios. I don't know when, but I hope to get a copy of this picture of Apache for everyone to see. Apache is also registered in the Federation stud book as "pinto".
Apache's father was Ponce. Ponce is a full brother to the mare Juana de Arco, one of the most influential mares in my opinion. Ponce and Juana de Arco are in Wendolyn's pedigree. Both are offspring of Guamani X Carioca. In a recent visit to see Mr. Bertran, I asked about the horse Ponce because I noticed he was used frequently by Mr. Bertran. He said the horse was a very good animal. Mr. Bertran purchased Juana de Arco as one of several foundation brood mares. He named her as 1 of 5 mares that he considered his best mares. The horses I saw back in the early 80s from Juana de Arco had excellent brios and power. I was always impressed with this mare line.
Apache's mother is Primavera or somtimes as Primavera II. I have no other information about the mare. In a discussion with another PPR breeder about mares, Puerto Rico did not consider mares seriously. So, many times there would be a very good mare but no background check and no pedigree research about her. That is why there is allot of vacant pedigrees behind a mare. I hope Mr. Kuilin or Mr. Bertran might know more.
For the horses in PFHA with Apache as a mare; I doubt the authenticity of the pedigree. It appears that Apache was used when a pinto was imported to substantiate the color pattern for the military horses. I don't know if Mr. Bertran had business with any of the military at the time the horses were shipped stateside. I'll be checking timelines, dates, and hope to speak to Mr. Bertran again about this subject.