What is it with this region???

[GeorgeGuns]

First let me point out that this is not to reflect on Forum members, and that I greatly appreciate the moral support of everyone who has responded to my dilemma, and especially to Stella for her commitment to help.

I still have 4 horses to place, going cheap, and after this friday if nothing has gelled, I will put up ads... with slightly higher prices!! (but still IMO underselling)

Okay, on the suggestion of another BB member, not only did I appeal to a trainer known to sometimes take up horses and get them resold well, I went ahead and contacted some other folks from this region that I feel I can trust to do right by these horses wether they keep them in their own herd or sell them on. I haven't heard from one single person. This gives me the creeps on its own but there is a twist.

Last week I found out that someone has put out that I do "bad deals' - I haven't done any deals!!!!!!!!! (not with Paso Finos) This was told to a well known trainerbreeder who in turn shared this RUMOR with a "friend" of mine, and this trainer/breeder refuses to even look at these horses because I "do bad deals". WHAT DEALS is he referring to??? Sure, last year I got a bit picky, then a few events happened and it looked like we would not only climb out of the hole but eally turn out situation around. Well that COULD have happened if the $%#@ spouse didn't desert, taking his good pay with him and putting me this postition.

Having a crappy marriage does not equate to "bad deals" either, it only means that I married the wrong guy, and I'm finding out the hard way how very cruel he can be. Besides, who cares about what kind of person I am, the horses need help!!!! I've offered these horses cheap, and without expectation of ever getting them back.

Just for the record, the last horse I "sold" (2001) was an anglo arab that went to a trainer, ran up a huge bill, and was given to the trainer in lieu of money, that horse sold on to a very good home. Prior to that I sold a QH x Welsh to a schooling barn and last I heard he was the farm favorite, living happily ever after. Before that, years before, I sold the first horse I ever had, and he also went on to a good life.

The only business I have been able to do is the hoofcare, and only one client has been displeased - not with the trimming, but because I requested an appointment change due to the extreme heat and little adequate shade at her place..

So, Mason Dixon, what gives? I find it odd that the only people that I have not heard from (not even a 'no thanks and good luck') are all MD members... coincedence?

Lori I understand if you feel this post is innappropriate, I'm sure it doesn't look good to newbies, or others, but why lie about it? Its not the horses' fault!!! We have good and responsible breeders and trainers in this region, and no region is without its cliques or political silliness, I just find this a very odd situation. I'm not naming names because unlike others, I do NOT want to sully the reputations of respected members, and I would still refer to any of the people I have contacted.

[Laura S]

Coreen I'm sending you a PM

[Abejita]

Tough Love

Coreen it seems you are blaming the whole region for supposedly one or two people??That is not fair at all. It seems that the people who scream about what a terrible region we are have not been involved in the past few years. I will say that I have heard some nasty stuff about the past and how things were done, but as an active member for the last 5-6 years I dont see it.Yes there are some people who are 2 faced..there are some who get mad at others and talk ..but that stuff doesnt just happen in Region of the PFHA.You worked in hospitals..come on... :roll:
Now as far as selling horses.I may be wrong but I am pretty sure that at least two times in the past year or so you posted on here that Rio was basically sold. So what happened? They back out? Could one of those people have said something to someone? Why did it fall through?Did you want to tell them what to feed the horse ,how to house it,how to do his feet? Once a horse is sold or given away you have to face the fact that you NO LONGER HAVE ANY CONTROL If you want to make sure you do..all you can do is put them down.And never breed any horses again unless you are willing to keep them I got a copy of your sales email forwarded to me.Even that is a hair ambigious about what it is you want..You say "The choices I have to make right now require me to permanantly let go of them."

Then you offer free hoofcare if they are 'placed ' close enough..then you say you will consider free leases.No prices are mentioned.Are they FOR SALE? or are you just looking for someone to keep then until once agin things turn around and you want them back?

I remember you saying Domingo was going to have a home for life when you bought her. I understand things change..but you need to look at that when you sell your horses now.You had all the best intentions.But manure happens .

And why no md members? you have done this 2 times before and then all of a sudden everything was fine and they didnt need to be sold .So maybe they read the Boy Who Cried Wolf and are afraid to recommend your horses to a client ..change your mind..and they look bad to their client?

[JennLM]

Just wish you were closer and our situation was different. :cry:

[Abejita]

Oh and Coreen if you want to get a hold of Rick ..you will need to call him..he doesnt check emails very often ..if at all..

[GeorgeGuns]

First, its a lot more than one or two people.

Second, since I haven't even posted info about any of the horses this time, thanks for assuming how I am going about it. Last year the situation changed, this time it won't. much. not enough to keep horses or stay here.

Now if I bought a horse, I'd sure want particulars about what works feed/tack/hoof/etc wise, and anyone that thinks they know so much about horses to discount a sellers information about this might need to switch to motorcycles.

Not that I need to justify this to anyone, but, yes, two people in the past have looked at Rio, the first one went with a Rocky filly, a little less green, a little more size, and a little more money, her perogative. I was hopeful about that one cuz Ri really liked her. The last one was in the process of moving, and when she got hit with the reality of having her own horses in her own back yard, I think she panicked and backed out - even though I would have been there for whatever she needed. She liked the sales contract, and yes it dragged out while she got her new farm situated.. oh well.

There are reasons some of us aren't involved with the region. I've been watching this region for 16 years, sometimes a member sometimes not. Lotsa reasons for both ways - again, thanks for assuming.

Anyone who has actually gone though a marriage gone bad and then been walked out on is free to pass judgement or comment on the situation as are the very few know the details of what has transpired between me and the spouse - anyone else just doesn't know. Considering that this time is so much worse (lots more factors) than last year, I'm patting myself on the back for not being in panic mode!!!

[Abejita]

Coreen aka GeorgeGuns said:

Second, since I haven't even posted info about any of the horses this time, thanks for assuming how I am going about it. Last year the situation changed, this time it won't. much. not enough to keep horses or stay here
Coreen I didnt say you posted -I am going by this email YOU SENT OUT to 5 members of MD ..that was forwarded to me in case I had interest (because Domingo originally came from here)or had anyone looking for horses..I will post it and you can tell me if any one made changes to it SO the only thing I am assuming is that YOU wrote the email.If not well then we need to find out who is screwing around.

HI, Coreen Harris here
I am going to trust that you are the kind of person to look past the person and see the horse.

Last year, we nearly lost everything, I blurted out a need for help, and folks offered, and one by one it got messed up, then a door opened and I didn't at that time continue in a need to relocate the horses. My husband led me to believe that we would be able to continue and become quite secure here.

Instead, my husband has abondoned me, taking with him the income necessary to even think about staying on this farm. I need to get horses out of here before it becomes so bad that they are in true danger. The choices I have to make right now require me to permanantly let go of them.

Independence H 36,218- Rufino de Casta (Picaflor) - good mix of many lines in this mare 6 years, never bred, built like a brick s-house and low action gait. 14.1hh, started under saddle, friendly, confident, very smooth

Domingo Hija de Prado 16,137 - 16, 5 foals, one died of pneumonia (her first one I think) half sis to Juan Miguel She had a history of navicular but is sound now (I do natural hoofcare and it has been very successful in rehabilitation), and I can give details about how to trim her to keep her sound, she will go lame in shoes. She has medial sidebone on both rears but doesn't seem to bother her nd she may even be good for light riding. Largo queen she definatley is, and a good mother. She is deconditioned at this time, 5 foals in about 7-8 years and no work.

Rio Piedro del Alba 43,187 - 3 yo gelding, 13.3hh at this time, just started under saddle, almost NO brio, a bit of slug really but he is a bit flabby too, has really nice gaits. He is out of Domingo by my stallion Brillante de MaGarita. Rio is even keeled for a young horse, affectionate, bathes, vets, wormers, flysprays, and I haven't tied him yet but he's not the type to haul back. Haven't trailered yet because mom and husband have made that impossible to do, he's not a freak though so I don't expect difficulty.

Cascabel del Alba 41,203 - grandaughter of both Amadeus and Favorito, paternal granddam is Capuchina de Besilu. great little gaits and smooth as silk, bit of a priss, started under saddle about 5 rides. Bathes, ties, vets, wormers, even keeled but a bit of a hot horse - nice brio for a mare. Only 13.2 and likely to stay small. Very Resorte looking.

*** I do natural hoofcare (non-strasser) and rehab trimming, if any of these horses are placed close enough I can provide hoofcare at no charge.

I realize the market is tough these days, but please, for the sake of the horses, condsider this offer. I may consider free lease on only 1 mare, (as opposed to two or three) but the important thing is that they have homes. The alternative is not attractive.

Pictures are available, and all horses are on www.pasoregistry.com My phone number is 555-555-5555. I will be glad to answer all questions

Sincerely,
Coreen Harris

Also I am remembering other posts in the past where you talked about if you sold a horse you wanted a 90 day period where you would have the option of going and taking the horse back if the new owner wasnt taking care of your horse to your standards..I am also going by how you handled the Domingo foaling situation ..I know a few people on this board offered to take horses at that time when as you said in the sales email you " blurted out a need for help, and folks offered, and one by one it got messed up" :?: why? what got messed up? Well when it became public that I was foaling Domingo I got a few of PM's warning me to be careful ..and not one was from a member of Mason Dixon And since you are NOT involved in the region how many members ACTUALLY know WHO you are?How can someone rush to your aid when they dont know you..Like wanting that job ,house and a place to keep 12 horses..Many people come here and read this board that are not registered users. Many can also add things up.So unfortunately there may BE a need to justify.People who have really paid attention for the last few years might be a hair leary of doing business ..I am sorry but it is a business especially for the people you contacted..
I am truely sorry that your marriage didnt work and no I would never pass judgment on what happened there..I know I sure as heck couldnt live with the same person for even a few years ..so kudos to you for trying your darndest..

[cowboy ed]

:surrender

[Tracey]

I am not in your region, but just from reading the board for the past 4 years and seeing the same thing three times, people just start to think you really don't need the help. I feel for you, my mother did it with three kids in tow, so I know where you are coming from. But, people have jumped up to help in the past, just to hear, nevermind. Maybe you need to let them know you mean it this time. Contact the people who have offered help in the past, apologize and see if you can work something out.

[britzlove]

GeorgeGuns,

I truly do sympathize with your situation as someone who has struggled to own horses, watched my mother lose it all, and many other friends. I am also going through a situation where someone I know is making terrible choices in keeping horses, and I have to apply a great amount of time into helping her horses.

Without getting into any discussion of what happened previously, it should not have too much bearing. If you sell your horses, you make them a commodity and you have to realize they are handled as such. You are paid money for them, no way around that. Sure, you can try to sell them with a stipulated contract, but without aid of an attorney it will not likely hold any binding upon the buyer. I'm thinking I gather from your situation that you don't have time or money to get help from an attorney drawing up a contract. So, you have to sell with the fear that all your wishes may not be adheared to.

These are bad times, this is true and I really do understand what you are going through.

If the horses are in dire need, there is always the adoption option. There are countless reputable horse rescues who have contracts, the funds and the manpower to help your horses find good homes. I'd be willing to help you any way you need if exploring this possibility.

Another option, if you just need to quick sell them is to have a liquidation sale, price them above say $500 reserve and let them go. Prices out the bottom slugs, but allows people to get them quickly.

I don't know if that's much help, but I'm sure you have alternatives.

Britz

PS Again, I'd help if I could. I'll offer my time, that's all I have to give.

[TrueStepPaso]

Britz....that was very nice. Just thought you should know.

[TrueStepPaso]

I am not familiar with past situations here at APF.com, but I feel that the bottom line is that the current situation has brought Coreen to an understanding of permanetely letting her horses go. She would like to see her horses receive the best of care in their new homes, as would all of us if we were in this situation; however, she understands, despite her best efforts, that ppl will not always comply. It was just worth a shot.

[britzlove]

Thanks TrueStep, and I do mean it. It's a shot worth taking, so hopefully she is able to get what she needs done.

Britz

[TrueStepPaso]

;-)