How many horses with NO Resorte breeding?

[lisa l aka marci]

I was (bored! ha)...and decided to look back in my horses' pedigrees to see how far back I could go before I found any Resorte.....WELL!

Lucia has NO common ancestors listed (6 generations back is all I found).........

I have to go back 6-7 generations on Marci - from sire to grand-sire to great-grand-mother to g-g-grand-father Mar de Plata LaCE who is a g-grand son on mom's side and g-g-g-grand on sire's side.

So, would this be diluted enough to say she is not of Resorte lines, or once you have it, no matter how small, you have it?

Now, with Marci's breeding to Emi, I see NO Resorte in his lines.......so would her baby be considered 'not resorte'?

Disclaimer; I have nothing against Resorte lines - just like my old Foundation lines - and you have ot keep some stock to out-breed from the lines!

[Heidi]

If he's back there, no matter how far back. He's there, isn't he?

Just like my filly. She is 7/8s PR and 1/8 COL. There is no way ANY of her offspring could ever be considered PPR...because with the little bit of COL back there...COL isn't PR.
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[pasofantasy]

I'm glad to see, that you've thought of having stock for outbreeding! That's a good reason for not gelding good horses, that aren't of lines doing well in the ring at the moment. I don't think, that Ray had been gone a year, when someone requested information on Colombian stallions with no Resorte in a post. Where were they when he was alive? :roll:

[Kerry W]

If you've got Coral in the pedigree...you've got Resorte. Coral was son of Canario<Don Danilo<Rey Cometa<Cometa<Resorte I. Plus Canario's dam was a daughter of Don Danilo, therefore it's in the pedigree through that line too.

As far as dilution goes...if a horse passes traits to it's son or daughter, the genetics are at the front of the pedigree..it's not like a bottle of wine you add water to. ;-) If your great grandma had green eyes, and no one in your family but you has green eyes...that trait is moved forward to generation #1...not left back at generation #4. It is fresh all over again.

[Terry Wallace]

How about 222.... ?

[Kerry W]

222 has both Profeta and Desvelo (at least x2), both descendants of Resorte I, through Cometa. ;-)

[lisa l aka marci]

If you've got Coral in the pedigree...you've got Resorte. Coral was son of Canario<Don Danilo<Rey Cometa<Cometa<Resorte I. Plus Canario's dam was a daughter of Don Danilo, therefore it's in the pedigree through that line too.



Kerry -

I'm looking at pasoregistry.com, and don't follow the bloodlines you posted.....this is what I show (haven't done a cross reference with pasopedigreeyet).....so is pasoregistry wrong? - Just checked pasopedigree- they have the same info....

Coral LaCE - Canario II - Canario I - Cometa

:confused :confused :confused :confused :confused

Update/edit....ok - so Cometa was a Resorte offspring....read the posts after I just posted.....

[Kerry W]

Yes, the pedigree is inaccurate. Coral is the son of Canario, or Canario II (he is known by both names), and Canario was the son of Don Danilo, out of a Don Danilo daughter.

There are some photos and info about Canario in this forum...look for "Don Danilo", in both the Trote y Galope Forum, and the Colombian Forum.

[Terry Wallace]

O.K..I thought when you said "Resorte"...you meant Resorte IV exclusively.... When people come here looking for "no Resorte" they have always meant no Resorte IV.... like up to the third generation, I mean...

If it is five gens back...it wouldn't much matter anyway....

try my husband's horse...look at Garlito de Powr he has some "Cuban" blood...

[lisa l aka marci]

O.K..I thought when you said "Resorte"...you meant Resorte IV exclusively.... When people come here looking for "no Resorte" they have always meant no Resorte IV.... like up to the third generation, I mean...



Now that brings up a good question Terry -

What is the definition of a horse having 'no Resorte'?

If that's the case, Marci has no Resorte then, right? - as she only has Resorte I waaaayyyyyyy back........

[motorgypsy]

It depends on whether you're a "purist" or not. Some say resorte III was better than IV so usually III is included when saying a horse is "resorte". If Resorte I is really far back it probably depends as Kerry said on whether the individual inherited his characterisitics. Our stallion has some III on one side and IV on the other but somehow got fatnastic legs and nice back of the right length - not the long backs seen on some of the offspring. He also ha lower hands like III rather than the high hands of IV and his grandmother who is III.

Kerry I like your diluted gallon of water analogy! With genetics it's also like a hershey's almond bar. If you keep cutting it in smaller pieces you may or may not get an almond so you could have resorte IV fairly close and show none of his characterisitics.

[Terry Wallace]

Here is what I'm used to being told...
Once in a while I get a person or phone call in which that person says...I'm looking for a horse with "none of that Resorte IV breeding"...they go on to say that "Those bloodlines are just to hot", "I'm looking for a horse I can trust on the trail, a more laid back horse"...

Translation....they say...without even SEEING the horse, that they want no "Resorte"... they equate that since there are so many "Resorte" bred horses... and so many of their "Friends" have told them to...."make sure there is no "Resorte blood up front"...(to me, that means up to the fourth generation.) No one has equated that "dreaded" Resorte blood to having a tendancy to trocha, or that Resorte himself produced trocha champs...it is all about the supposed "Hotness" of the blood... it is about the perception of anything "Resorte" will just be "too hard to handle"...

It is of course a totally unfair accusation to assume all "Resorte blooded" horses will be nutty, too hot...or the perpetual "fire breathing dragon"...

This stems mostly...probably.... from looking at bloodlines on-line at pasoregistry or the like...seeing a lot of line-bred Resorte... three or four times to Resorte...both top & bottom of pedigree, and "assuming" they are too line-bred or in-bred to have any sense....or being told by other Paso owners to "stay away from Resorte"... I had one once and I had to sell him because I couldn't handle him...type of story.

In honesty..I was told THE EXACT SAME THING...when I first got into Pasos...which was...if you want a reliable trail horse, with a good mind..."Stay away from Resorte" bloodlines.

Well..you KNOW I had to check that out.... I have plenty of horses that have one or more "Resortes" in their bloodlines. It hasn't been any kind of problem for me!

What gets me is...the person totally assumes, again...without even laying eyes on the horse, trying the horse or knowing anything else about the horse, that 'Those Resortes are too hot for trail" and are "only show horse fire breathing dragons"

Its a big bad rap on a bloodline, to make such accusations IMO.
Not to say there are no "hot" Resorte bred horses as there certainly are... but thats not the only bloodline you might find a "hot" horse in...

And there is another good word for a topic....the use of the word "HOT" to describe a Paso Fino.... such a miss-used battered about word...

HOT to some means "Nervous", unable to relax...
HOT to others means "Hot little show number...hard to beat..well gaited with brio....! lots of hock action...lots of lift of lmbs...I wish he were MINE...kind of thing...
HOT to yet others means that "its TOO much horse for their ability to handle"

More often than not the horse I am told is "HOT" here in my neck of the woods..is a horse who lacks training...may never have had any ground work, a somewhat confused on what you are wanting him to do horse....
A horse that with some time, patience and training...won't be "HOT" at all!

I don't want to hijack the thread... but I think a thread on what people think "HOT" Paso Fino means would be a good one!

Sorry to go on & on... but when the word "Resorte" comes up...you will often hear..."Oh no, thats Too HOT a bloodline"....

[Terry Wallace]

Look at this one Kerry...Lolita de Powr Mako...I do not know who the horse "Calantano" goes to... is he Col or PR?

[Terry Wallace]

Oh...and if you have any info on the mare Triquena... I'm always looking for more info on her...her extended pedigree.... this would be the Triquena appearing in the pedigree of my mare Sarafina Que..there are a few mares named Triquena... ;-)

[motorgypsy]

Some great points Terry. In paso finos anyway the negative "hot" to us is sensitive combined with a rider who is overcueing the horse or a horse that is not well trained and is confused. We have resorte in some and none in others and probably our most naturally hottest are our PPR mare and our 7/8 PPR mare. But they are very well behaved under saddle and the PPR is also fantastic on the ground. She's just very sensitive and quick reacting which to me is what hot really is - resonsive. Sports car vs VW bus

[DSDECKERT]

Ter - do you think it's the Resorte blood - or is it more the training to hype them up like that?

I have to Pasos - one with no Resorte - who you could put a 2-year old child on and she'd just follow me (that's of course Ms. Bianca). My Resorte gelding is so hot, no one will ride him but me...I've always just assumed it is the training he got in MT that made him that way....he's dead calm on the ground, but throw a saddle on him, and he's a fire breathing dragon (Jochi for those of you looking up lines).

[Minouri]

Wow, I'm glad I knew nothing about Pasos when I bought Scooter. He has Resort I, Resort II, Resort III and even a Resort Jr. I wouldn't describe Scooter as hot.

He does have a lot of Lace this and Lace that. So maybe it balances out.

He also has a lot of .....various que tal.......and estabans. What were those known for?

[Terry Wallace]

Do I think its the "Resorte blood"...nope... but to be clear here..I have not owned a horse with a lot of concentrated Resorte blood. I have horses here with Resorte blood, just not all four lines top & bottom concentation...

Take Caotica Estrella for example...do I blame her Resorte blood for what all she has been through and how she "acted" when I got her....

HEAVENS NO!!.... I DO blame her training..I do think...no, I KNOW that she was not treated the way she should have been..not brought along slowly, not "understood", not given a real chance to be the mare she IS today...which is my FAVORITE mare on the place...my highly reliable riding buddy...the mare who hangs her head in my arms...the mare who "trusts"... one of the smartest horses I have ever had the pleasure of owning.

What I see more often than not on the so-called "HOT" horse...is just exactly as MG's said... a horse who lacks training, trust for humans, is somewhat confused about what you want and how to perform the task for you.
This would include a horse who was "jump started"...brought in as a two year old...saddled & riden the very same day...scared...been "hyped" up by being ram-rodded around...trained by domination...trained by having its head pulled this way & that...been made to move by means of a plastic grocery sac on the end of a longe whip trailed behind its heels...been basically forced to move while it is so scared it can't do anyhting else BUT move out...THEN..the rider tries to control it by pulling it around...and in many cases a young, as in underdeveloped as of yet...two year old...easily pulled around...

A horse with little or NO ground work as a foundation.. no round pen "work"..just maybe round pen chasing...run till you drop..willy nilly with no rhyme or reason other than to tire it out... so it can be more easily "dominated"...

[Hollis D. Gammon]

You will be hard pressed to find a "pure" non Resorte blood Colombian horse!!!! May not even exist.

Virtually all Colombian horses trace back to a horse named Jupiter who was alive around 1890 to 1910 Resorte I was a grand son if my memory is correct. He was either a son or grandson.

I have not traced a single Colombian Paso that didn't go back to him.

It's a bunch of "bunk" to group all Resorte horses in one mold as all being
to hot.

My Capuchino daughter out of Iglesia LaCE, ANYONE that can ride a lick can ride her. She's the type horse that raises or lowers to the level of the rider. My now 12 yo G-daughter learned to ride on her at age 5.

Yet she won her class at Spectrum, Finished either 3 or 4th at Nationals
yet a 5 yo child rode her and it was her first time ever on a horse and no I , nor anyone else, wasn't leading the mare she rode her all over the pasture.

[Fuego]

In my experience with heavily bred Resorte 3 and 4 horses they are intelligent and good natured ( when treated with kindness and respect). They do often seem to have strong brio available, but the brio is easily controlled with the proper training.

I know of a Nat'l Ch.Perf. mare quiet and excellent on the ground but was trained for maximum brio the entire time you were in the saddle.
In her mid teens she was retrained ( taught to relax under saddle) and became a little girls first horse, riding bareback in a halter through the feilds.

The majority of the heavily bred Resorte horses have been smaller then I'd want for my own personal mount, but found them to have excellent temperments, in general.
*****edited to define smaller: meaning shorter then my prefernce, not inferring petite/tiny boned or in any way inferior.

I have seen the Resorte horses that had their "brio" intentionally exploited and misused, but again, that's the training/handling, not the bloodline.

Being that Resorte lines dominate the show ring, and high brio is called for in the show ring, I think the thought about Resorte lines being "too hot" is just a misconcieved "bad rap" stereotype that isn't true.

Then again, maybe they are hot, and I just like 'hot horses' ..........

[Kerry W]

Terry, I talked to Kathy and Mario about Triquena in email and at Nationals last year...so likely have the same information as you. A lot of those PR imports had incomplete pedigrees. Sometimes a dead end is really a dead end.

As far as Lolita goes...I think that line is Colombian. Her sire was imported from Colombia. Not typical to have a Colombian import with Puerto Rican bloodlines, even though Lulu sounds more like a Puerto Rican name. Might ask Spud about her to be sure, or perhaps Rusel knows.

One little tidbit..I recently asked Eduardo Tobon questions about the horses that came from his family. I asked specifically to confirm the info at pasoregistry, if Pistolero was from the Resorte line, and he said no. So Contrapunto has no known link to Resorte. Always a good idea to investigate further than pasoregistry. It's a great tool, but there are many errors there. In this instance, it lists Rey Cometa as Pistolero's great grandsire, but that is not accurate...so Contrapunto and Caruso de la Ate are two that are "no Resorte". It's a really nice line, and has been one of my personal favorites since I began to study the breed.

I'd be remiss if I didn't thank Sr. Tobon..he was very generous to answer my many, many, MANY questions! :lol:

[macadoo]

My Macadoo Tornado (Torey) is a Resorte IV grandson and he is great on the trails and pretty good in the show ring...certainly not hot at all...

[Max]

My stallion, El Ultimo Desafio is Resorte IV free.

He is a son of Plebeyo.

His dam is a grear grandaughter of Resorte III (her sire was a son of Contrapunto out of a daughter of Resorte III). Her mother, Violeta, was a granddaughter of Triunfo (the old one that was the sire of Mahoma) on her mothers side and Violeta's sire was a sond of Bienvenido. Other very old Columbian blood.

This mare is the one that was too hot for even the best trainers in this country to keep in gait in the show ring. She will break into a two beat trot and other gaits to show off all of what she can do.

She is so good I had offers to train and show for free, just pay board and even that was cut in half of the regular rate. Some of these persons have taken horses into the Pro Fino classes and won.

Before she cracked her skull (she has a brain - the vet saw it when he took the skull plate off to get bone fragments out of her brain before sewing her head bak together), I just put a halter and 2 leadlines on her, and a saddle and took off for the trail. Fino trail horse. She loved it and so did I. She finoed while others walked and cortoed. She finally developed a head down walk and a tight corto and a canter, but she loved trail. She could not jump over a tree trunk - just too fino.

Ultimo is much like his mother, very hot from the saddle, but also very willing. Kinda like the energizer bunny - he keeps going and going and going. That is what caused his injury that kept him out of the show ring.

The signifigane of being Resorte IV free for many people is the trocha tendency Resorte IV could transmit.

Some of his soms and daughters have strong trocha tendencies.

I am told some of his offspring in Columbia is shown in trocha.

Resorte III did not have this tendancy. He was supposed to be very solid in his natural gait.

I tell you all of this as evidence that other lines can also be very hot. It is not just the Resorte IV offspring.

In fact I have ridden a sone of Resorte IV that was very calm and laid back. His name was Barro Colorado. When you asked for energy he had plenty and would give you as much or slightly more than you asked for. But he was very easy to ride and control. Had I not had my Ultimo I would have considered trying to purchase this horse. He was fun.

[lisa l aka marci]

Wow! This is all some really really GREAT information! Keep it coming - I'm learning a LOT!!!!!

[Pasogirlz]

Max - http://bestsmileys.com/welcome/9.gif

That was a GREAT post! Please tell us more about yourself, and your horses. Sounds like you have some interesting stock. 8-) Not to mention some valuable info about the breed to share.

[Hollis D. Gammon]

I also have ridden Barro Colorado, and I agree he was pure power and had a decent fino. He was very controlable, but require a heavy hand, as his mouth had been hardened in previous years. A very fun horse to ride.

I also agree that several closely bred Resorte horses are too small for my liking. Profeta is only 13-2 or 3 yet rides like he is 20HH. It's also my personal feeling that the line carries some bad traits for the rear hoofs.

Without the Resorte influnce in the Colombian Paso they would just be another good horse.

Personally I like the Colombian/ Puerto Rican crosses, you generally get the best of both worlds, you may however give up just a tad of smoothness of gait, as in my personal opinion the Puerto Rican paso is generally smoother than the Colombian Pasos.

Pasos from both Countries are so smooth and personable, that I want even attempt to argue the point.

Most all horses are to a degree a reflection to their handling and training at an early age just like human children. Blood lines only give you a possible head start on having and developing a good horse.

[Bonnie M]

It all goes back to training and all the blood mixed in. I don't think you can always blame the hotness or gait on just one horse in the pedigree.

I have been around three horses that had Coral in them that are hot.....and don't gait well. They were from the same small backyard breeder, no one known and no idea what other horses were in the ped. And I know horses with Resorte blood that are push buttons.

Edited to add.....The above statement was made because I think you can't blame a horse or make a certain assumption about a horse just because it has a certain bloodline in it. That's all.

Plus these horses have nothing to do with Barb P, or the other breeders on here for Coral, they weren't hers, they were from a small breeder and I don't know what other lines were included.

I have a mare that has Resorte IV on her dam's side both top and bottom, then Resorte III on the sire's side. You can get her hyped up for the show ring, but she is also great to ride on the trails.

[Kerry W]

Believe it or not, but I have been around some Coral LaCe horses that are hot.....and don't gait.



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[paintedhorizon]

Kerry, you really MUST write a book with all your info for me so I can learn! LOL I know Stella doesn't have the time!

I'm learning a lot too, but have SOOOO many questions. I just don't know where to start. LOL

[Kerry W]

I'm not worthy...really. Most of my info comes from people who have been here a lot longer than I have, and are still walking around. I'd never dream of calling it "mine". ;-)

[paintedhorizon]

Not saying it's yours, just that you know it! whatever you DO know, write it down! :lol:

[Fuego]

My gelding is mostly Puerto Rican. Resorte 3 shows up once ( 6 or 7 generations back) and Resorte 1 shows up a couple of times in generations 7-9.

Chino's heaviest bloodline influence would be Guamani. And Chino is about as HOT as they come under saddle. I'd trade his temperment for MANY of the Resorte 4 inbred horse's temperment I've known.

I agree with Max, gait would be a bigger concern then brio in Resorte 4 bred horses, again based solely on my personal experience.

[SandyMM]

I have been around three horses that had Coral in them that are hot.....and don't gait well.
Just curious as to which horses/other bloodlines these were and how far back the Coral blood was. Hot/brio is one thing, unmanageable, uncontrollable is totally different and sometimes disconcerting to riders new to Pasos. And by gait - do you mean _no_ gait or, as I have witnessed in some cases, a horse sent back by an owner for 'not gaiting' which actually gaited _perfectly_ when _allowed_ to do so?

Just curious as to the circumstances and bloodlines.

[lisa l aka marci]

Big difference in no gait and not gaiting.....rode a gelding this summer that 'didn't gait' for YEARS!.....Took at least 2nd place in Pleasure classes with him!!!! So I guess he 'didn't gait? hm.

[Kerry W]

Just curious as to which horses/other bloodlines these were and how far back the Coral blood was.

Thought you said Coral could "gait a goat"? Why would it matter who else was in the pedigree, if that is the case? :confused

I think her point was....it's not wise to buy, or not buy, based on ONE horse in a pedigree, and completely disregard the horse that is in front of you.

[Bonnie M]

Yep, what Kerry said.

[Candice Burger]

Just wanted to put this on for the record about pedigrees, paso finos, puertor rican and colombian pasos.

There was a remark about the lack of pedigrees from the Puerto Rican horses--Ditto for Colombian as well.

Both strains have omitted, replaced, or provided false parentage on pedigrees. It hasn't been until the advent of DNA testing that this has slowed down, but it has not eradicated the practice. Rey Midas' pedigree is one of many examples that I know of where ancestors have been omitted from the pedigree. There are several examples of PPRs within recent history as well where parentage cannot be confirmed or a different individual was used on the pedigree.

Plebeyo's sire is also one in conflict--the popular one in the USA is Chucuano de Milo Sarria, but there is enough undercurrent rumor to consider another horse-a black/bay horse called Rejonero (or Relator) who may have been Fuera de Concurso. I've heard this said since Plebeyo was imported in 1982/1983 that his sire was not grey but black. Those who know more about this say that Plebeyo resembles more Rejonero than Chucuano.

Please, when making these type of broad sweeping statements, provide clarification. There were allot of PR horses imported with false pedigrees. My family did it as did a host of others. There are a good number of COL horses with the same disease. Trading papers, making up pedigrees, etc. occurred with enough frequency from EVERY country. I have a mare from a COL stallion that I confirmed the sire's pedigree is inaccurate about 7-8 years ago and I've yet to get the true ancestors of the horse.

It's taken me almost 20 years of serious study to decipher what attributes may go with what family and then there are exceptions and within those exceptions individuals who contribute a new set of traits (and learning where these "new" traits may trace to). It was also a common practice to attribute the best horses to the "best" producers of the time, whether true or not. So there are many horses going to various sires that are very untrue. Every book I've purchased about pasos, from Ochoa's books to Gaztambides' book has questionable pedigree references. Even those that have generations of paso knowledge question one another about what horse was a son/daughter of what sire/dam.

The common pedigree for Pistolero is El Plata X Florida. El Plata is Marino X Sierra. Florida is Jardinero X Dinamita. Dinamita is Resorte I X Silueta.
http://www.tesiopower.com/pf/fourgen.aspx?hID=33379

There are conflicting pedigrees for Pistolero. The most popular one is by Cabuyero. Cabuyero traces to Caballo Viejo to Canario de Andes to Cometa to Resorte I.

If new to the breed, I encourage a true study of phenotype first and then worry about the pedigrees, much, much later in the journey. Picking up the subtleties of the phenotype will help direct or confirm a pedigree research. Learn what the differences in COL and PR phenotype are. Learn how to distinquish a Marino family line or a Resorte line or a Bochica line as compared to a Contrapunto line. Learn the weaknesses of Resorte III and others. Learn the nuances of the PR phenotypes and what lines carry them. Learn the differences between Resorte III sons: Resorte IV, Impacto, Rescate. I use phenotype allot to tell me if the pedigree is what it should be.

There are times I come here and get discouraged because the topic is ALWAYS about "hot", "brios", "hocks", etc. Well, there is ALLOT more to paso, paso gait and paso phenotype than that. The fluidity of the movement, the action of the elbow, knee, and fetlock, the clarity of the gait, the movement of stifle, hock, and fetlock, the self-carriage, the expression, the roundness, the croup, the quietness....it goes on. It's not a "good" gait just because it is smooth.

I'm not saying all this to discourage anyone, but to encourage ya'll to fold back the first layer and begin looking deeper into the breed. If you're new to the breed--put those pedigrees away for about 5-7 years. Start looking at the horses, go to more farms and less shows, learn the breed first. You cannot look at a pedigree and learn the horse. Learn the horse to know the pedigree.

The point is if you "know" Rejonero/Relator, Plebeyo and Chucuano, when looking at the pedigree or hearing a rumor, you could dispell in your own mind what might be untrue.

[Kerry W]

Well, that was me that said the PR pedigrees weren't strictly accurate, and I should have included ALL countries of origin. Triquena was imported from PR, that is why I said PR. My aplogies to the Puerto Ricans for not qualifying my statement to the nth degree.

Sometimes there is no "rest of the pedigree", because people did not keep records then. It was not something that they felt was necessary, they didn't breed on paper, they bred what was standing in front of them, as they didn't have the luxury of shipping semen, or even transporting a few hundred miles, to a stallion with a great pedigree.

I personally fail to see how you can assess the breed, without knowing the pedigrees of the horses you look at. How do you determine WHERE the traits come from, if you go at it blindly? Yes, you have to see the horse in person, but if you have no idea of what lines that horse has, it's difficult to find a common thread.

[Pasogirlz]

Thought I'd add that it was mentioned to me that many of the Juncal horses have no Resorte including Petrolero.

[cristy]

I agree, many of my horses have Resorte but by far my "hottest" horse is my PPR mare. She is very well trained, push button if you will, extremely sensitive and responsive (also my favorite to ride).

As far as the "no Resorte" if this means just no Resorte IV then Capuchino would be considered no resorte?

I just assumed that no resorte meant no resorte, but when I bought my new stallion the lady commented he could be advertised as a no resorte horse, he is a Profeta grandson out of a Majestouso daughter. This confused me because Profeta has as much resorte behind him as Capuchino?

[cristy]

Some great points Terry. In paso finos anyway the negative "hot" to us is sensitive combined with a rider who is overcueing the horse or a horse that is not well trained and is confused. We have resorte in some and none in others and probably our most naturally hottest are our PPR mare and our 7/8 PPR mare. But they are very well behaved under saddle and the PPR is also fantastic on the ground. She's just very sensitive and quick reacting which to me is what hot really is - resonsive. Sports car vs VW bus


Okay, having a stupid moment here, read to the bottom of first page and responded, agreeing with this...sorry :oops:

[Camilla]

Very interesting discussion here... thanks everyone for your info sharing and input.
Terry, I nodded a lot with your stuff on first page - especially the different definitions of Hot... I kinda fit in with the "ooooh that one's hot.... me likey!" (Ok those are my words not yours, so I should probably not have put them in quotes, but I can't remember your words exactly and think ya probably get me. :smile: )
Kerry, gotta agree with PH, hope you are writing this down for a big fat book one day.
Candice, great points, too. Pedigree can be a crutch when folks aren't sure what they are looking at or not taking the time to really look (I know it's a crutch I've used... especially when shopping blind over the internet! :-? )
Sandy, sorry to say I have to agree with the other person's comments about the Coral lines. I know there are a lot of Coral Lace fans out there, but my personal experience is that I have only found ones that don't gait, are put together funny and just generally not my cup of tea. Of course I am not saying that all Coral Lace bred horses are of poor quality, just that if I were to come up with an opinion on Coral Lace bred horses from the ones I have experienced, it would not be a good one, so it is obviously more complicated than that. Of course this is not meant in anyway as a slight on any horse, just an example of the usual dangers of generalizations.
By the by, I've known/seen/ridden plenty of Resorte bred horses that were hot, but in paraphrasing Terry's words: Hot like, "man, that horse is hot - me want it real bad!" :lol:
As usual viva la difference - I love that there is all this variety in this breed and different kinds of Pasos to suit different kinds of Paso lovers... how sad if they were all the same as we'd never agree on what that one kind should be.