4 yr old Fino Stallions at Nats

[Pasogirlz]

So who are you routing for?

These two colts will be ones to watch for Nationals this year!

*Maraquero is the bay
**Resortin is the grey


http://www.onetruemedia.com/shared?p=b93afded86fee629b8ef3&skin_id=0&utm_source=otm&utm_medium=text_url

[CarolU]

Maraquero is also Marquita's son, and gaits just like her. Nice attitude.

[Pasofinoguy]

Does anyone know how tall he is. He seams very very small.

[srjames9]

There is another 4 year old that is unbelieveable under saddle. He is owned by Peter Adrian, the owner of Hacienda 4 Aces. This colt is also a son of vitral out of I believe a terremoto de Manizales mare.

Cheers,
James

[CarolU]

James, is that Resortin then? Resortin is the horse Kelly Cox is showing this year...right?

[Pasogirlz]

I don't think Resortin is by Vitral.

[Pasofinoguy]

I guess no one knows how tall the horse is.

[Pasogirlz]

Sorry, Adam, I don't know how tall he is. I'll try to find out the next time I am around his owner, but that will probably be at Nats. ;-)

[Pasofinoguy]

ok thanks.

[Brigitte]

http://easylink.playstream.com/pasopedigree/resortinmaraquero.wvx
That's an extra long version I just saw on Pasopedigree.

[Terry Wallace]

Hmmm.... I'd have to go with Resortin from both videos.

Resortin, has a little less hock action,...BUT...he can TRACK straight. Nice quiet croup.... less movement behind than in front. (not as balanced in height of movement/limb lift...from front to back as Maraquero)

Maraquero...better hocks, but cannot seem to track straight in either video. Not quite as quiet a croup...but very close... Almost seems like a right hind leg problem... shoe? Sore? just not able to track straight and loses his right hind placement control? Lots of good movement up front...

What say you judges? Lynn....? Cindy G...?

[Brigitte]

I like Resortin more too, but sometimes he'd do something weird with his back legs. But he seems to be very consistent with a lot of will to work. And like you mentioned Maraquero was all over the place..

[Cindy]

As a judge, I would wait until the class to make a judgement. :lol:

[Terry Wallace]

Ya chicken!!!
;-)

How much does tracking correctly count?

[Dave]

Something that was impressive at Asheville during the dinner in the dirt was Maraquero fino across the board one-way then turn and do a flying largo the other way! Pretty cool! 8-)

[Cindy]

I guess that depends on who is judging. It apparently did not count at all at Spectrum. Nor did it count that one horse nearly ran over the other one when working in parallel.

Still think I'm chicken? :D

I actually could not care less who wins the class. It will not make that one any better than it was the day before or the day after. Either horse could win on any given day. And who's to say there will not be some other horse that wins on that day. The script is not yet written. If it were, why would we bother to go see the show?

[RudyPM]

I will go with Maraquero, he is more mature now, ive heard that hes working great, more balanced than Resortin...

Resortin has really fast hands, but he lacks the speed in his hind legs....

for the championship look out for DAVINCI DEL REY.....but at the End i predict Maraquero to take it all!!!!!

[Terry Wallace]

I guess that depends on who is judging

YEP....and "ain't that a shame?"

Any wonder why so many people don't show! ;-)




Nah....I don't really think you are chicken...anybody who can ride a mechanical buckin' bull....darn sure "ain't NO chicken".... not to mention certain chestnut mares!

Just wanted to "raise your HACKLES" Heheheheh!

[Pasofinoguy]

I will go with Resortin. You must keep in mind that he too has matured and also has a great trainer and great blood in him. We will see.

[Cindy]

YEP....and "ain't that a shame?"

Any wonder why so many people don't show!

No, I don't think it is a shame. I think it is life. Unless you are going to judge the class with a stop watch, you are going to have a human factor. Just like you have a horse factor and a rider factor and a crowd factor. I think that is part of what makes it interesting. It's part of the game. Just like the umpire is part of the game of baseball. We could have machines call balls and strikes but that would ruin the game of baseball. As I said before, the script is not yet written. That's what makes it entertaining. That's what makes it interesting. Imagine how boring it would be if everyone agreed on the winner of the class before the class was even run and there was no doubt as to the authenticity of that knowledge.

[Terry Wallace]

To me.....inconsistent judging is a crying, expensive shame.... to the exhibitor, and to the breed in general....

Of course there is human factor.... that is life for sure....

JMO

[Pasogirlz]

Something that was impressive at Asheville during the dinner in the dirt was Maraquero fino across the board one-way then turn and do a flying largo the other way! Pretty cool! 8-)

Yes, he does have a range of gait. ;-) But so does his Momma. 8-)
However, I did not care for his tracking at Spectrum either.

And what was even funnier...was that a few classes down the line, another horse was placed lower for his tracking when the judges explained the results.

[Terry Wallace]

yep..same ole' story...same ole' song....

One set of rules for one exhibitor, and another set for the other...

See...this bothers me a LOT.... many people witnessed it...and yet
because it was "such & such"... it was A O.K.

JMO

[Candice Burger]

Working parallel is about tracking and foot flight, which both had problems at Spectrum.

There is nothing funnier than watching two riders watch each other rather than their horses during a critical test. I guess when Maraquero kept hitting Resortin or the rail, that rider figured it out. I guess when Resortin was over collected and lost his rear (that is the "funny" movement back there) his rider figured it out--almost.

Resortin had better tracking, better croup, but if you will watch his head, you'll start seeing it go down and the profile is too far in. When it does, he loses his energy in the back legs plus the impulsion. So he failed when his feet began to lose correct flight. He was overcollected and behind in front causing too much pressure in the back, so his rear went behind to escape the pressure. Just because a horse can keep a rhythm doesn't mean it's done correctly. Losing form is a fault.

Maraquero simply couldn't track straight and failed at that test. Marquero's rider saved his horse when he realized that he wasn't riding the horse anymore but trying to outdo Resortin. He loosened the animal enough and paid more attention to his sideswiping ways. He won on the foot movement. Allot of the sideways motion was the same problem as Resortin--too much pressure to collect and he went sideways instead of going behind the bit.

Watching the show, Maraquero had the test won at first then he lost it quick when he couldn't track straight; won it by default when Resortin fell apart and lost good form.

Guess the rider's got all worked up about being short and fast and forgot that the test was about CORRECT tracking and foot movement. ;-)

I didn't like the display either horse gave. I thought Resortin was superior in the tracking test, but grudgingly agree with the class results. Form is more important than tracking and must be considered in all aspects of any test required.

I voted for a sleeper to come in and win. If the riders of Resortin and Marquero get worked up again about being "FAIST" (as the king of NASCAR says) and start making google eyes at each other...somebody who is paying attention to his horse's performance is going to take them down!

[Pasogirlz]

You are right about that Candice. The judges did mention that Resortin's head set was a fault against him.

And it is pretty easy to get sidetracked or let your nerves get the best of you in the ring. :oops: It's even easier to armchair quaterback. :lol:

[Candice Burger]

:lol:

I can guarantee you that you'll never find me in a show arena and doing well at all. Any horse I show will have to do it alone or get another rider!

It's a hoot to know that I'm not the only one when watching some of our best fall apart because they know they've got a winner under them. :razz: Both gave outstanding performances.

Seems that tracking test tests the riders more than the horses. That isn't the first time I've seen the riders start sweating under close watch. It's not like on the rail where the judge might lose sight of the horse.

[Cindy]

And here is a perfect example of how the human factor comes into judging horses. Candice and I in general see Paso Finos in the same way and usually agree on what we are seeing. Even so, from what I saw, I would have put Resortin first in that class. That does not make me right or Candice and the judges right. We all have our reasons for the placement of the class. I would say from the feedback that I have heard from the show that the crowd was about 50/50 as well. It was a great class and a great matchup of horses and that is the point to me. Many remember the great duels between Profeta and Classico. We saw great classes but does everyone remeber who beat whom and when? Does anyone, besides perhaps the connectiions to the horses, know if Classico beat Profeta more often or if Profeta beat Classico more often? I know I don't and even if I did, it would not change how I feel about either horse. I guess for some it is only comes down to who wins and who looses. But I go to see the great horses, win or loose. A great horse is a winner all the time in my book. What the boobs in center ring (myself included) have to say about them has little to do with their greatness.

[Pasogirlz]

It's a hoot to know that I'm not the only one when watching some of our best fall apart because they know they've got a winner under them.

Rider error plays a big part for sure. I know any mistakes Mina has ever made in the ring so far....were really MY mistakes. :oops: And believe me....those horses feel everything in the ring. I would have been sweating bullets if I had to do a work off like those two horses did.
Thank God I thought I was working off for last place at Spectrum or I really would have freaked myself out. :shock:

[Terry Wallace]

How long did the class take? Would have liked to have seen the "whole enchilada"....

[Pasogirlz]

How long did the class take? Would have liked to have seen the "whole enchilada"....

I don't recall exact times. I was actually at the out gate waiting on the winners to interview for Showtime...so I lost track of time...but my guess.....45 minutes to an hour. But a lot of stand around time too....you know the drill.

[pnalley]

What does the term "fast hands' mean?

I know what it means re:men, need to know re: Paso's :D

[Pasogirlz]

Fast front feet. ;-)

[Cindy]

Hands are the front legs so fast hands would refer to quickness in the front.

[pnalley]

Shouldn't the overall quickness be balanced betwen front and rear?

Fast fronts and slow rears would knock a horse out of gait wouldn't it?

[Brigitte]

Yep they have to be balanced

[Brigitte]

I watched the clip again, and Resortin had a horrible reverse. IMO shows are very hard because the judges have to decide when to stop judging, e.g. they could have said Maraquero won because Resortin did the thign with his back legs on the board, but they kept on going, then they could have said no Resortin won because Maraquero couldn't keep on going in a straight line, or said no Maraquero won because Resortin's reverse was bad, but they kept on going. They can actually choose after which horse's mistake to stop judging. Very confusing, so happy I'm not a judge or plan on becoming one

[artist]

I think they are both fantastic & gorgeous. Maraquero has a certain "presence" about him.

Here are some pix I took of them:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/artbabe75/maraquero.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/artbabe75/72585784-M.jpg

Together:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/artbabe75/72579620-M.jpg

[TrueStepPaso]

Thanks, Cheri!

And this is an interesting thread, btw....

[Terry Wallace]

Cheri...Kudos for your photos and especially those appearing in PFH World this month..the Jaranero pic is awesome!

[Pasofinoguy]

Yeh that pic is great. Look how thick that horses is. Just nothen but a big old muscle. All around great stallion and his owners get him out there for all to enjoy.

[britzlove]

I'm not all that excited about either from the video...I'll have to watch the class..I think it's hard to see with the clarity for my opinion. Soon!