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Candice Burger
09-13-2006, 01:02 PM
Here's what gets me. And I get angry about it every year and won't participate. It's the stallion breeding auction. Now pfha.org has a pdf file to download. Ok, but my PC at home works just fine for my needs but is outdated to download and open the more recent documents. So I wait for a TIMELY issue of PFHW about the stallion auction. I get the August issue in September open it up and what do I read? 'Lo and behold if I'm not attending the Nationals I have to get my bid in by Sept. 9 by mail?????

So, like why do people have Nationals have the advantage? Tell you what, I'll pretend to go to Nationals and have a friend plop a bid down for me. How's that?

I'll try not to shout--AND then it says in the August issue that MORE stallions will be added at Nationals????? Because of publication deadlines?????

What happened to following deadlines? And I really get peeved because I feel like some crazy crusader for the "little" people--us small breeders. So, if you don't get your PFHW magazine BEFORE Sept. 9 AND don't attend the Nationals, you are (ok I'll try not to curse either), out of luck. And then if you don't attend Nationals you'll never know if there is a NEW stallion added that you might afford and want to breed to.

I don't even want to look at the notebooks that are supposed to be filled with CURRENT information about the stallions. Last time I did that, I tore up my bid.

As far as contacting stallion owners for horses I might be interested in, well forget it! There's a horse I "might" want to breed to, only a few hours away, but now I don't have time to look at him nor get a video from the stallion owner in time to bid if I wanted to! How am I suppose to do all of my research in less than a week? Now I try to research years in advance and if the horse comes up in the stallion auction, I'll bid. This is what I'm doing this year.

Then the rule changes about the bidding process--I'm totally lost again on that one. I missed something along the way; when did that happen?

Every year I rant. Now I realize that people are busy, the breed is small, time is precious, etc. But it's a YEAR people, a full YEAR to get a list of horses for the stallion auction. Have the deadline for nominations NOW when the breeding season winds down. And really mean it. How can I bid on a stallion when:

1. I don't have time to contact owners for information or do private research? No time to review contracts either?
2. Don't have the COMPLETE list of stallions available? Can you imagine getting your 2nd or 3rd choice to find out later that IF you had been at Nationals you could have gotten your 1st choice?
3. The information given is haphazard from each stallion. I need CLEAR and CORRECT contact info. I've done enough cold contacts using the stallion auction booklet to know that it's dated material. Why bother putting it in there?
4. Where's the stud fee? Where's the information about live cover, AI, etc.?

Now I did download the pdf file off of pfha.org using a different PC and compared it to the published list in PFHW August issue. Needless to say they are different. But who cares? It'll be different anyway at Nationals.

And every year I say the same thing. I'll PAY for a good stallion auction booklet that has a picture of the horse, his pedigree, his stud fee, contact information. I'd like to get this months before Nationals NOT have to go to Nationals for a booklet and then write down the added stallions in the back of the book. Last year (actually every year that I've been going) several horses were added and the ONLY way I knew is I saw the bid board with the horses' name written down. That's NOT FAIR.

And every year I say this as well. The concept is great. It can be a win-win for everyone. Small breeders get a chance at discount stud fees whether they show or not. PFHA gets money to fund the Breeder's Sweepstakes classes. People who show have an opportunity to get prize money. Stallion owners get excellent exposure through a marketing tool that could be nation-wide at a ridiculous nomination fee. And the best is, more paso babies are born that protect our gene pool.

As it stands now, I look at the event more as a brokerage with biases depending on who the stallion owner is, with no protection and no oversite seriously offered facilitating private contracts. And to me that is NOT an event that PFHA should be involved in.

I'm not asking for some control freak like me to make it impossible for discretionary latitude. I'm simply asking that PFHA recognize that if this is truly a NATIONAL activity QUIT assuming that the people who want to participate will be at the championship show every year. And QUIT assuming that I know all these stallions or stallion owners like we grew up together. Quit assuming all I have to do is call my buddy and get a contract deal I'll bid on.

Pasogirlz
09-13-2006, 01:53 PM
I thought your post could use this Candice...
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Terry Wallace
09-13-2006, 02:09 PM
Just another area where the PFHA could VASTLY improve..... this is just another aspect of "marketing" that they are very BAD at......

I agree with the rant.... why cannot members seeking catalogs ....GET THEM MAILED to them at printing? Why is it not offered as part of membership renewal? Why must I seek out a contact and then try to get one on my own when I have already made it clear that I want one EVERY YEAR....???

I will PAY..... ! Why can't I get it as S.O.P.????? I had told Steph L...years ago...I want it every year..put me on the mailing list....and

NOTHING..... as usual...arrives.

cowboy ed
09-13-2006, 02:11 PM
.....or you could just buy a horse like you want, instead of trying to breed one.......... :lol:

Terry Wallace
09-13-2006, 02:21 PM
Of course Ed... thats a given...but where is the "adventure" in that??

To get half price stud fees (or darn close to it...two of my bids won were just past half price) on top name horses is pretty attractive!
I have participated, and friends of mine participate...that is how the smaller breeder can have a Pedregal or Jaranero foal in their stable!

Candice Burger
09-13-2006, 03:14 PM
Well thanks, Lori. But if I start laughing who will think I'm serious about this? So here-- :realmad


'Cuz ed, sometimes it's the small breeder that has the genetics that are lost to commercial operations. Riders aren't breeders and so they are not concerned about genetic improvements or protecting a line. If it weren't for efforts like the PFHA stallion auction, some lines would be extinct and some traits gone forever.

If it hadn't been for the PFHA stallion auction I may have never found out about a stallion that has a very, very rare phenotype and gait trait that I've been looking seriously for over 10 years. He also carries three rare lines that have been proven (to me) to show genetic depth and compliment current faddish bloodlines.

As a rider, do I care? Well, I do care about the movement and the stallion exhibits a very classic fino trait that I can't find anymore. So yeah I care about that. I'm gonna tell anyone reading this--go out there and just try to buy that anywhere. There's another stallion I saw recently that has such a rare phenotype and gait that the PPRs in Puerto Rico want to buy the horse and export him back to PR.

As a breeder I care even more, because I don't want that trait to die out. Thanks to PFHA stallion auction I "found" the horse, the genes, and the gait I've been looking for.

Maybe I'm too caught up about what it "could" be instead of what reality makes it.

PasoVicki
09-13-2006, 06:33 PM
I totally agree, Candice.

I just received the magazine, and I can't travel all the way to Nationals, so there's no way for me to participate in the auction, even though I've enjoyed reading about the entries. I'd guess that PFHA would get a lot more participation in the auction -- and earn more money -- if the procedure allowed everyone to join in. The way it's set up, it seems the auction is pretty much "reserved" for people who can go to Nationals -- and who have enough knowledge and experience that research is unnecessary.

Candice Burger
09-13-2006, 07:07 PM
In all fairness, last year PFHA did experiment with the auction.

It was a silent auction until the last day at nationals then people had until March 2006 to get a stallion as "first come, first serve" basis and last the stallion owner had the option of buying back the nomination for their stallion to use for their private purposes. The idea was to encourage as much participation as possible. I kinda liked the idea myself. It allowed an opportunity to get some good horses that were still available.

I hoped PFHA would give this a chance for a few years to see if it worked, but doens't look like it. At least that gave people time to really look at some stallions and not rush into it. Plus for time to get the money up. Especially given that there are LAST MINUTE changes during nationals and MORE stallions are added.

I'm peeved all over again. I'm expected to follow deadlines but "they" aren't? Tell you what, for every stallion added at the last minute, I'll have a mare that won't go into cycle until the very last second before the bid contract goes out. How's that for planning ahead?

This year all I read is I had until Sept. 9th to mail in my bid. There was nothing that I heard about the process changing or that why a mail-in had to be in earlier than the bids from nationals.

I'm also wondering how that affects the nominations of stallions' offspring. Didn't that change with the new bidding process? Now has it changed again?

Oh, yeah, and what's this ebay bidding thing all about? It said in the August issue that it would explain it. I almost let the dog eat it to see if he upchucked the answers for me. No PFHA news item report-nothing. Am I suppose to scratch and sniff, use if for a butt-wipe, what? Give me a signal about where to find the info!

This is a plot isn't it? It's some evil design to force me to call the PFHA office every week, to memorize that number and harrass the office girls. Did someone tell them I lost my @#$#$@ cell phone?

Hmm, then pfha wonders why most folks are ambivalent. No, that's IT. "They" know I'm ambivalent, didn't expect me to read the #$@$ issue! They didn't expect anyone to care so they didn't bother telling anyone. It really is make-it-up-as-you-go kinda thing.

PasoVicki
09-13-2006, 09:01 PM
This year all I read is I had until Sept. 9th to mail in my bid. There was nothing that I heard about the process changing or that why a mail-in had to be in earlier than the bids from nationals.

I didn't get the magazine until September 11th, so the deadline had already passed.



Oh, yeah, and what's this ebay bidding thing all about? It said in the August issue that it would explain it.

I'm sort of glad to hear that I'm not the only one who leafed through the magazine searching for the rules but couldn't find them.