Beautiful Trochador

[AJ]

Consentido de Providencia es un caballo trochador hijo de Baru x Sarita de la Manuela)


http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/trochador/trochador.jpg[/img]



ISN'T HE BEAUTIFUL???

[Terry Wallace]

Yes he is...and I asked this on pedigree.com///WHY the extra heavy large rear shoes? I assume it is to get better lift of limb in the hind hocks... is that alloed in shows in Colombia? Different weights of shoes would not be allowed here...as that is an "advantage" over everyone else who does not do that.... Just wondering...

I love the big power-butt on that horse...he has "motor" to spare...

[AJ]

In Colombia Trochadores and Trotones use shoes that are heavier than the ones they use in Paso finos....

I dont know if they allow them to compete with different weighted shoes or not..i am not sure.....

[Terry Wallace]

That horse is gorgeous..that mane is to "die for".... :D

[AJ]

yes he is definetly beautiful.

[Pasogirlz]

I WANT HIM!!!! :D

[AJ]

This Picture is him and his son.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/trochador/trochador2.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/trochador/ehijo.jpg


http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/trochador/ehijo2.jpg

[Cindy]

Terry, I doubt the shoes on the back are heavier. Different, yes, but they look to be aluminum and the ones on the front look to be steel. So they would not be heavier, just bigger. But I too wonder why the different shoes.

[Jasfino]

:shock: Wow! Whats not to love!!!

Beautiful paso finos!

[Carol Nelson]

Holy mackeral! Both of those boys could eat carrots in my barn anytime!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Terry Wallace]

Check out the cadence of the photos...too cool!

Yep, Cindy they look like WIDE, and thick aluminum shoes on the rear... why would they do that...if not for more weight? I have also seen aluminum shoes with steel inserts where the nails go...

Those rear shoes actually show some extra width, especially on the inside of the rear hooves... lots of "bench" or "shelf" there....

[AJ]

THEY ARE TROCHADORES....

[PASOFAN]

OMG!!! :shock: They are stunning, I want one!!

Is their a website to learn more about this breed? They are gaited?

[appyday]

Someone please pass the drool rag.. :-?

[Pasolady]

Breathtaking!

[Brigitte]

OMG!!! :shock: They are stunning, I want one!!

Is their a website to learn more about this breed? They are gaited?

They are part of the Paso colombiano family.
And OMG he's to die for!

[Jasfino]

Help me out here.. :oops:

I thought that trochadors were paso finos that exhibited the trocha gait... even though they are not fino.. arent they still considered paso finos?

I think he is beautiful no matter what he does... :D.. or is called.. :D

[Brigitte]

Trochadores are just that, they are bred for trocha. Sure there are some finos who start out trochando but they usually go back to fino later. But true trocha horses are the ones who have been bred for it.

[AJ]

Jasfino,,,

we have the Paso Colombiano, which includes trocha, trote galope and fino. Trochadores are not finos doing trocha. Trocha is a gait and a breed. Trchadores are not sons of finos. Bredding trote or trocha is like breeding finos, each "category" have their own stallions and great bloodlines like you know in fino (resorteIV, Resorte III, ,,,.... and more) Actually in colombia the trocha and trote are more common than fino, more "fever" I dont know if it is the right word....but trocha and trote show and there are a lot more breeders of trocha and trote than fino in my oipinion....Being fino also important....

I hope this helps a little.

[Jasfino]

Thanks AJ . I think their gait is just as exciting as the fino.. so I understand the fever there. :D

Could you tell me some of the greats in the trochadores bloodlines? I am interested in learning as much as I can about them.

[AJ]

Right now the winning horses in trocha are Mensaje de San Esteban and Tango. (son and dad :lol: ) Tango was world champion in 99 If I am not wrong. other good ones..... El Arco, Hechizero ( sire f el tango) ,Monarca, Baru, cambalache(son of arco)tayrona, cacique caramanta, maracanazo, duelo, jugueton, relicario, tupac amaru..Timonel, pregonero.,..fedayin.... and the list can go on and on....

Trote y galope: In trote and galope I can tell you about a few, since I dont have as much info as trocha...Cacique Calarca, don pepe, ....cambalache.. papillon, gladiador, altanero, carbonero


Don Danilo, and I guess you heard his story. He did all the gaits, fino, trocha, trote and galope//// this horse made history in colombia

[AJ]

some old pictures....of the ones i mentioned above

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/trochador/cambalache.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/trochador/altanerot.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/trochador/as.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/trochador/baru.jpg

[PasoPerson38]

WOW, outstanding! I LOVE how thick their necks and chest are...the broader the better! ;-)

[Candice Burger]

Might be to help with the gait--it would depend on the weight. Popular myth has it that a few ounces in front or back does the trick but horses really do adjust rapidly to minute weight/angle/length differences. In this case it would be the combination of shoeing weight/angle/length and that takes some expert farrier work for that. Shoe configuration would probably have some influence. Such as surface shape, if there were tracers or not, etc. I'd like the see the bottom of the shoes. And I'd like to see this horse in a confo shot.

The only reason to mess with weight/angle/length is for gait. Maybe not diagonal enough? I'm racking my brain (no pun intended) about how the walkers were shod to get them in/out of trot or pace. There is something to that, but I can't recall the methods off the top of my head.

Well, that's immediately what came to my mind when I saw the shoeing. He needs assistance with the diagonal movement. Most gaited breeds need farrier assistance to get the best gait exhibited. I suspect with the emphasis on gait for diagonals and founded from pasos, some horses still struggle with a true diagonal movement. A good shoe job will fix that. That's why it's important that pasos keep all shoes equal. Validates the naturalness of the gait.

Come to think of it, that's one reason I liked hanging around TN Walker barns. Some of those farriers are dang good.

AHA! My cloudy memory is still working. Here's a chart that shows what to do for a pacy or trotty walker. http://www.twhbea.com/pdf/Shoeing%20Chart.pdf

[PASOFAN]

WOW, outstanding! I LOVE how thick their necks and chest are...the broader the better! ;-)

I agree!

AL: Any video of these horses around? I really want to see them move!!

[AJ]

candice, i read some of your posts in pasopedigree and i have one question for you,
why are you always trying to look fot the "but...." in the diagonal horses?

i can show you any good trochador or troton with no shoes or same weighted shoes moving as nice as you see in the pictures,,,,

you dont need to do that when people want to learn about them..
if you dont agree or you find to many "buts" other people may not care about those comments.
they are like finos, and have the same or more nice quealities as the finos....
best regards.

[AJ]

:D

[Jasfino]

:D Thanks AJ for those pics. I dont know how many ways I can say beautiful... but they are !!

I have heard the story about Don Danilo. The fact that he could do all the gaits makes him all the better in my eyes.

Is the trochadores gait as smooth as the paso finos? It looks it.

[Brigitte]

:D Thanks AJ for those pics. I dont know how many ways I can say beautiful... but they are !!

I have heard the story about Don Danilo. The fact that he could do all the gaits makes him all the better in my eyes.

Is the trochadores gait as smooth as the paso finos? It looks it.
Depends on the horse, but it usually is .It's a wonderful feeling when you ride a good one.

[Hacienda Del Sol]

He's wearing an aluminum egg-bar shoe on the hind feet. I assume he didn't have much heel and they wanted to give him support.

[Candice Burger]

I'm so sorry AJ that you and so many others that love the Trocha and Trote Y Galope horse feel that way.

However, it's not fair to not say anything when there is a discussion as to "why" there are different shoes. It's obvious-to assist the horse in his quest for perfecting his modality. There is nothing wrong with this in my mind. A good farrier job with a paso will serve the same purpose. The restrictions are the shoe specs pasos are required to wear to "demonstrate" naturalness. Still a good farrier can trim a hoof and put a shoe of equal weight and configuration and make a difference in the paso gait just as in any other gait. If this were a picture of horse in paso fino modality I would have said the same thing. That the horse is shod to help clarify his gait.

ALL horses have problems with their gait unless they have perfect conformation and perfect inheritable traits. A good shoe job by a farrier that understands the breed and modality can do wonders. When I showed and needed help, I didn't hesitate to have my farrier trim and shoe to help my horse. If PFHA didn't have restrictions on shoe specs, there would be many horses that could benefit from comprehensive minor adjustments with their shoeing. Again, the reason for the restrictions was to promote "naturalness".

Why not try this exercise? Why not try to read the posts in the way they are presented--to help people understand why there are different shoes on the horse? There is absolutely no reason to get defensive or to attack someone over a practice that I consider common place.

Unevenly weighted shoes means uneven expression somewhere in the gait. It doesn't matter if the horse is trocha, TYG, paso, foxtrotter, walker, racker, saddlebred, standardbred, thoroughbred, QH or whatever. It's a universal practice to get the best possible performance out of a horse and perfectly NORMAL and ACCEPTED world-wide.

It's a shame that these topics turn into anti-horse, anti-culture, and anti-country when they are not meant that way. As a matter of fact, I am fascinated about the diagonals and the developmental success experienced by the breed. I want to learn more about their genetic inheritance and how it's expressed. Particularly since pasos have been used partially to help with the expression. It would help me and others learn about gait expression. It would be nice to answer questions without thinking there is an agenda behind it. It also means answering hard questions the best of one's ability. And it means being more analytical and less personal about the response.

Maybe there is a reason for so much distrust. I've read the posts made by others that have an obvious hidden agenda and are very disingenious. All I can say is that I make every effort to be transparent. If I didn't like diagonals, AJ, you would have no need to guess about my post concerning shoeing. You would know without a doubt because I would simply come out and say it clearly.

Regards, Candice

[Hacienda Del Sol]

Candice,

I'm not sure if you're saying that this horse is wearing a shoe to help him in trocha or if you're saying this shoe is to help the horse. I believe this shoe is used not to alter his gait, not to enhance it, but rather to help a foot grow as it should, so that the horse can do the job he needs to. CONFEPASO also has restrictions on shoeing, even a little tougher than PFHA, and therefore this horse would not be able to be shown with this type of shoe. As far as it being weighted in some way, not the case either, since it's aluminum. I got a slew of PMs about your post, don't know why, doesn't sound to me like a major slam. Maybe you're just making to many generalizations>[/quote]

[motorgypsy]

No hidden agenda from me either. Just another info junkie interested in the diagonal breeds. One problem is translation. Saying that the diagonals and the isochronals are part of the paso Colombianos leads many people to think they are one breed with one registry. Yes I'm sure they have similar origins since all the horses in the the new world have similar origins since no horses were here when the European explorers brought them over.

But let me make sure that I am correct in stating that the trote y galope horses have one registry, the trochadors have one registry and the paso fino Colombianos have one registry and the horses from one registry are not used for breeding in another registry in general. This is what I've thought I've understood so far.

Now on the other hand I thought I also read that IF a paso fino Colombiano bred horse exhibits the correct show trocha gait with no tendency to do the isochronal gait, that it can be registered as a trochador in the trochador registry. But I have not read of the reverse case where a trocha bred horse is naturally very isochronal and therefore is registered as a paso fino Colombiano. Is this also possible? So in other words can a horse born into one registry like trochador be registered in another registry if they show the gait for a different registry naturally and show no propensity for the gait of their own registry???

Now back to Tennessee Walkers. The big lick TW's are bred to be pacey so that when the pads and shoes are put on the front they will go more diagonal and gait correctly. Many and probalby most big lick TW's do not gait correctly unshod. The REAL TW used historically on the plantations in the south US was a gaited endurance horse that needed no unusual shoes to gait correctly and these horses are still out there but not too easy to find. I understand that Robert E. Lee, general of the confederate army, rode a TW named Traveler and that Traveler died in a little town near us and is buried there and that town is name appropriately "Traveler's Rest". There is supposed to be a plaque there but we haven't seen it yet. And you can be sure he didn't need big pads to gait correctly. There is a very strong push to restore the TW to it's original natural gait and do away with all the pads and soring and chains.

[AJ]

First of all PASO COLOMBIANO has 3 modalities TROT AND GALLOP< TROCHA AND FINO,,, and you are right stating about different registries and none of them are mixed between.

I think you can register your horse wherever you want... but what is the point for example"
taking horse that are trcha like imponente (son of finos) to Colombia to compete in trocha stallions??? we all know he is very trocha, but even if he wins a competition it would be hard for him to sell "saltos" (breeding) because he is a son of finos, so the trocha breeders will never use a horse with fino bloodline to breed their trocha mares,, that is like degenerating the BREED. by the way in colombia they dont breed to winning horses like here, they breed to good bloodline horses even if they have never comepete. So a fino horse doing trocha is not worth 1 cent!
FINO IS FINO
TROCHA IS TROCHA
TROT IS TROT
:D

[Brigitte]

First of all PASO COLOMBIANO has 3 modalities TROT AND GALLOP< TROCHA AND FINO,,, and you are right stating about different registries and none of them are mixed between.

I think you can register your horse wherever you want... but what is the point for example"
taking horse that are trcha like imponente (son of finos) to Colombia to compete in trocha stallions??? we all know he is very trocha, but even if he wins a competition it would be hard for him to sell "saltos" (breeding) because he is a son of finos, so the trocha breeders will never use a horse with fino bloodline to breed their trocha mares,, that is like degenerating the BREED. by the way in colombia they dont breed to winning horses like here, they breed to good bloodline horses even if they have never comepete. So a fino horse doing trocha is not worth 1 cent!
FINO IS FINO
TROCHA IS TROCHA
TROT IS TROT
:D

They have four, Paso Fino, Trocha Pura, Trocha y Galope Colombiano, Trote Y Galope Reunidos Colombianos

And They wouldn't bother letting a paso Fino bred horse who's doing trocha compete in Trocha, even if he is the best, the breeding is all fino and breeders won't breed their trocha mares to a fino bred trochador because the chance of the offspring being a good trochador isn't too big

[AJ]

yes i forgot the trocha and gallop!
and I have 1 :oops: !!!

[motorgypsy]

Very interesting. Explains a lot. thank you!!