Gas Prices...hhhmmm

[PASOFAN]

ok I said I may do this, so what are gas prices where you are today??

here in Eagan, MN PDQ is cheapest at 2.06gal regular..

Ok, did Clinton put gas on the market so it can flucuate?? Or who makes the decision? Do the owners of the gas stations descide?
I just dont know but I hope they come out w.a different way to run our trucks.. I could use the $$ break... :roll:

[Starmom]

Actually most gas station owners only have a little say in how much they charge.

When you think of all the taxes that are tacted on to every gallon by the government both state and US. The cost of oil, and other stuff I am surprised gas stations make a profit. This is why most of them started selling food and other things like that. They make more profit from the stuff they sell inside the store then out.

Right now the gas prices are at $2.45 per gallon for regular unleaded!

I don't even go to town now unless I have to do 4 or more things while in town!

[Heidi]

Today I paid $2.29/gallon for Supreme about 40 miles outside of Atlanta.
I have a sports car (v-8) and a bit of a lead foot. :oops: I don't do much driving other than shopping and errands, no work comute, so I drive whenever and wherever and enjoy myself. But it hurts to fill up that tank when the total comes up so high!
Heidi

[hast]

I was in Europe about a month ago... Gas isnt' bad here at all folks, it's really cheap actually. :roll: In Europe you pay the equivelant of more than $4 US a gallon... Or more than $1 a liter... :-? I still feel fortunate when I fill my truck. There's no way I could afford to fill it in Europe.


HTTY

[CarolU]

Gas is high because the Oil Companies are GOUGING us (record profits - posting 30-50% profit per quater!!!). Has nothing to do with the war, that hasn't affected supply one iota.

I think it is our Oil Baron Administration's Energy Policy to let the price go as high as American's will let it before we revolt. So far the policy is working...lots of oil profits.

Now, you can either pay or profit. Buy stock in the oil companies. You actually pay yourself to gas up then!

[Polly Aulton]

Yep, we are definitely being gouged--some worse than others.
$2.45!!! Egads!
Oklahoma was talking about raising gas taxes this year--but haven't heard much of that since the price went up. We meander anywhere between $2.06 to $2.29 depending on the day of the week.
Sure hurts to fill the tanks these days.
Polly

[PASOFAN]

I heard europe was spendy, sis was just out there, but man $4 a gallon! That is pretty bad..

Horse and buggy sound good to me..lol

Really though, it hurts. I used to commute 40miles a day to work, looked for a new job closer to home, only 5 miles! But gas prices went up and my savings out out the window. Payin the same now..

I was lookin at those highbreds just thinkin about it, but I couldnt give up my truck!! Just love that thing too much.. I pay $40-$45 to fill up now, not as bad as most trucks, I have a smaller V8.. But it still hurts...

I know this is a touchy subject, but what about the US drilling for it's own oil and being self sufficient and not buying oil from the other countrys? I am not educated enough really about it but wonder what u guys think? I know it would be in Alaska... So wilderness would be jepordized ect.. But would it save the US $$?

I heard once a long time ago semi drivers united and jammed the major cities for days in protest of to high of gas prices.. Anyone else remember that? It worked I heard...

[Jasfino]

Horse and buggies have their down side too. An amish boy stopped by the other evening when it was so hot that my clothes/hair were drenched from just being out there. I saw his horse tied up and asked him if he wanted to give it a drink. He went and filled up a bucket twice for it to drink from. I felt so sorry for it. I wanted to go over and take all that crap off of it and let it out to pasture. I saw his horse watching ours and wondered if he was thinking that maybe someday he would have that kind of life of leisure. I was at the vets once when the amish brought their horse in... pulling the buggy with his entire family in it. The vet came out and told the man that the horse would not get better unless it was rested...hint.. hint. Several of their buggies have been hit by people coming up from behind not expecting them to be where they are and their horses injured badly. Its not as romantic as little house on the praire made it look... :(

[GregM]

Gas prices are high because the Chinese and other developing ntions are begining to drive cars. In case you hadn't heard, there's a lot of them, and they used to ride bicycles. This has also raised raw steel prices dramatically, and it will get worse before it gets better. Until refinery capacity meets demand prices will stay high. Even the Saudi Crown Prince says oil is too high...like I believe him.

[Moniece Dickerson]

It's the oil companies...the dogon oil companies.The above statement was correct the stations really make verry little profit on gas...it's the other stuff they make it on.My hubby used to manage 12 gas stations for Clark years ago and this is what he's said.Moniece

[Marleen Robinson]

My whole family lives in Belgium. They are trying to get by with only one economy car per family. Hard to do when both parents work, and having 2-3 kids. They are paying between 4 and 5 EU per gallon. Sometimes more. They just hate it when I dare to complain about gas prices here. I paid only 2.21/gallon of regular yesterday. Luckily, all of our vehicles take reg., exept for the old Porsche, but she don't come out much an ymore... :roll: Until Moniece gets here in September, that is!!! :D :D
Any one going to Nats? It looks like we'll be able to make it, yeah!

[SandyMM]

I know this is a touchy subject, but what about the US drilling for it's own oil and being self sufficient and not buying oil from the other countrys?

Hmm - and when theirs is all gone - who will still have some...

[Rose Mary Axell]

Well I live in a province that has huge oil reserves and lots of gas production but I pay way more then most American do to drive. Why becaue of taxes and because a huge amount of our oil is committed to export for the United States. We are paying 85-95 cents a litre. I believe there is about 3.8 litres in a U.S. gallon. By the time you do the conversions in volume and dollar value. we are paying about $2.73 USD for a U.S. gallon.

[SandyMM]

I averaged about $2.20/gallon on the drives between the Atlanta-Ocala last week.

[PASOFAN]

Very interesting comments!

SandyMM your right, when there out we will have it.. Good point!

I saw somewhere a thread on cost of other things perGallon:
-$8.00 gallon of Snapple juice drink ect I was kinda funny but does make you think..

I just hope this Corn thing works out and runs our cars here, looks promissing... :D

[Polly Aulton]

We watched a discussion on TV the other night about gas prices. I found it rather enlightening.
Apparently no refineries have been built in the US since the late 70's. Everytime one of the oil companies wanted to build a new refinery or expand an existing one the environmentalists stopped it. As a result the refining of oil into it's various by products has not been able to keep up with the public demand.
In all honesty I had never thought about refining capacity as being part of the gasoline cost problem. How about you guys?
Polly

[CarolU]

When they drill in ANWR, which they've passed a law to allow them to do, that will either produce 10% (GOP estimate) or -1% (environmentalists estimate) of our needs. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Drilling and development still needs to take place, so we won't see ANY of it for at least 9 more years.

The only way to free ourselves from dependency on forieign oil is to change everything possible to non oil-based forms of energy, wind, solor, hydropower, etc. You see ZERO push from this administration to do any of it. Years ago people got tax breaks for going solor.

Now...we're addicts - and meant to stay that way.

[CarolU]

You all need to watch more then Fox news (aka Big Business mouth piece) to get the truth. Listen to NPR also

- the truth is somewhere in between.

[Jasfino]

I would be willing to bet that gas prices stay high from now on out. Just a feeling I have. I hope I am wrong.

[CarolU]

I had heard the same story about the Chinese on FOX news and about capacity. Your posts got me curious, so I went to DOE's site and downloaded some of their data tables...

In 2001, the US used 19.65 million barrels of oil a day, in 2004 we used 20.52. We use roughly 1/4 of the world's oil.

In 2001, China used 4.92 million barrels/day, and in 2004 used 6.74, so they show a larger increase...but still a small percentage of what use (for about 1/20 as many people)

In that time the world's use went from 78.1 to 82.6 million barrels a day. While production went from 77.51 to 82.97 million barrels a day. Although it would appear that we consistently use more then we produce, the tables don't say how much was taken from or added to oil reserves.

The data is very consistent across the years, steady growth in both supply and demand, maybe more in China compared to the US, but certainly not when compared to the rest of the world and their percentage of the earth's population.

In the meantime, oil company profits have gone up by as much as 50% a year!!! This is profit - NOT money they are putting into oil exploration or increasing production or alternate sources of energy. This is money they pay to their share holders...

[Polly Aulton]

Sigh. I always knew I should buy oil stocks.
When did greed get to be the driving force for everything?
Polly

[PASOFAN]

Yep, stock in oil and gas would have been a good one, but then again I dont wanna be a jerk like that who is full of greed, I wouldnt want to be that person...

My dad is trying to come up w/an inexpensive way to do solar. I have been looking for land in the mtns and electricity is tens of thousands of dollars to put in so not able to do that... It would be great to have solar but it is sooooo expensive to buy.. Maybe he will havea breakthru before I move!

I found out Hybred autos are not that much cheaper, actually more expensice to make that type of gas... So unless they find a cheaper way for the B85 stuff that isnt gonna be around that long either. Sucks.

I wish we could run on air! But then we'd be complainin of the lack of that or polluted it is.. arrrggghhh no wins here today.. :roll:

[SandyMM]

then again I dont wanna be a jerk like that who is full of greed

I know people who have owned oil stocks for years... long before the prices went through the roof. Why is it greedy to invest and then actually make a profit? Should they have sold off - before the prices went up? Not everybody who profits by dividend increases is greedy - sometimes they're just lucky...

I will never understand why - in this country known worldwide for being entrepreneurial and with a democratic free economy - success is a _bad_ thing. Isn't the point of any investing to contribute money to a company in the hopes that it turns a profit and you get back a dividend? Haveoil companies _always_ been the 'bad guys'? Is there a limit on success? Is there a limit on income? Should people sell all their oil stocks, crash the companies, and walk (or ride?) to whatever job is close enough?

Grrr - down with capitalism and free enterprise... boo on entrepreneurs! Maybe G. should quit his job because it requires him to drive a car 50-60K miles a year, sell our house, vehicles and horses (won't be able to afford any of them), ride a bike to the nearest job and feel good about having nothing.... Ahh -that's the life for us.... not!

--------[edit] Actually - that would be good for the bike companies - and G's current job is in the cycling industry - so everybody cycling would be good - right? No - because he couldn't get to 99.999% of his customers....

[Rusel]

Actually it has to do with the supply and demand..... but that has been created by closing down refineries and thus limiting production over the past 11 yrs.... Instead of doing maintenance on the refineries and expanding they are closing them, causing the supply to dimish.... The actual cost per barrel has not increased in proportion to the $ amount that has been added to the cost of gasoline.

Wonderful Florida, being a tourist industrial state, had it's prices drop after the first month of the summer vacation season when it showed that the price was affecting the travel industry..... We were even told that the prices were going to be coming down....

TELL ME THAT THE PRICES ARE NOT REGULATED.........!!!!!

I lived by the refinery in Illinois.... when workers were laid off for several months at a time the gasoline prices went up.... When the trucking industry got tired of taking the hit and slowed to almost a stop the gas prices came back down.......

So we can make an effect..... but it would take the transportation industry doing something about it......

Or Bill Gates offering a million dollars for the first 100 mile carburetor.... which has already been invented in 1976...... I drove the Cadillac that had one...............

When the American people make non oil producing energy their number one item on the list of the vote, THEN, the candidates will pay attention.....

[Terry Wallace]

Well...don't look for that 100 mile carburetor... won't be anymore carburetors... its all fuel injection. Emission laws play a big part in where we are at today. One day..in the not too distant future... you may encounter "lawn mower" police who walk up to your mower and put a sniffer pipe on it... and issue a fine if your mower don't pass!

You see...those carburetors run far too dirty..to pass emissions. I truly think that it will be battery power + fuel dual set ups in our future.
Problem is...will it pull my 4-horse!

[Monty]

Gas went down a tad here - holding at about $2.359 a gallon !
We were given the excuse of a shortage due to hurricanes :roll:
Oh and we aren't suppose to be getting 30% from the platforms between Fla and Texas - :-?

[Mellifluous]

I just love it when I turn on the news in the morning and I hear "gas prices have reached record highs" - Actually, if you adjust past prices for inflation, the "record" high prices were in 198_ (can't remember of the top of my head) and the price today would be over $3 a gallon. Soooooo, it is all in how you look at it.

And then there is the new technology stuff. There are all of the overpriced hybrids out there and people are buying them on the principal that they are being environmentally friendly. There is another route. I drive a PZEV (partial zero emissions vehicle) which is a plain old gas guzzler but has special fuel lines and tweaks on the exhaust system that cause it to have LESS emissions than a hybrid. So, I feel pretty good when I pass an undepowered/overpriced Prius in my $9,000 peppy little Focus that has more room and doesn't look strange - knowing that I am doing less damage to the environment than they are.

Another interesting thing to look at is alternative fuels. Biodiesel sounds really cool, but in order plant oil fuels to become mainstream, a ton of land would need to be converted back to farming and with the population boom and rampant development that is happening everywhere, I honestly wonder where the land would come from...on the bright side, a native grass (switchgrass I believe) is a great fuel source and could help restore some of our native grasslands.

Electric = dirty, you have to burn tons of coal or petroleum to generate the electricity. Nuclear is an option but with increased numbers of reactors and chances for accidents and super toxic byproducts is a bit scary.

I could go on and on but I will shut up for the moment :D

[Mrs. E.]

Gas is not $2.34 here.
You know you are getting old when you can remember the gas price wars way back. Gas was then 19 cents a gallon. It was hard making a living owning a gas station. :D

[motorgypsy]

The petroleum available is finite and the population and the number of cars continues to increase. Supposedly our country's oil fields fully exploited would run the country for a few months if we cut out foreign oil. How about sails anyone????? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SandyMM]

Filled up the truck 2.08 yesterday!... You all just live in the wrong state! LOL!

[motorgypsy]

Yes but what has happened in some states is that they have rolled back or eliminated the gasoline taxes and guess where that money goes??? To repair highways so watch out for those potholes cause there's not going to be any money to fix them.

[CarolU]

I want to publicly thank my Congressmen for passing the Energy Bill, nice to know my tax dollars are going to give a multi-billion dollar SUBSIDY to the wealthiest companies in the world - those same ones with the 30-50% profit margins. I can't believe how generous we all are - as if we're not paying enough at the pump, now we're going to GIVE them tax revenue too.

I only work 56 miles from my house. I figure I can ride there for two days, work one day, and ride home again. That should pretty much fill up a work week.

[Terry Wallace]

Yesterday...in Santa Fe...
YIKES!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/twobarwpaso/Fuel.jpg

[PASOFAN]

Wow! terry that is high price!!!

Well this week it was $2.08 reg on 7/28, then of cource the weekend at $2.17gal, sunday filled up $2.15gal. yep I had to fill up 3 times in in 4 days! Road trips suck when it cost so much!

But I did have a wonderful trip!lol

[Terry Wallace]

Bump...
Here it is Fran....

[SandyMM]

Wonder how that translates to Canadian dollars and imperial gallons? My math is on vacation this week, though... ;-) [/quote]

[Monty]

Ours had gone down to $2.30 to $2.35 - but jumped last night 15 cents and going up! At least for ONCE - I filled it before it jumped :lol:
Haven't heard the latest "reason" (read that - lie) - :-?

[srjames9]

I fill up every week and spend 50 US for the tank full and I have to use premium b/c of the turbo engine in my car..... yuck!!!

Cheers,
James

[fran]

I think that we all better start thinking about changing our lifestyles...read this....particularly the bottom article...
http://www.caealliance.com/id6.html

[PASOFAN]

Wow, fran very interesting read...

[CarolU]

Here you go...as seen from space:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050804/us_nm/space_shuttle_dc_135;_ylt=Alc.EmH7x_UMmXRulHTADwgY AjMB;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

We gassed our Camry up Tuesday, it cost $33.65 for 14 gallons of gas. It cost less then $10 to fill it when we bought it in 1991. At that time we thought nothing of the gas it took to drive our 132 mile round trip to/from work. Now we think a LOT about it. Look at North Americans, switching from fuel efficient cars to gas guzzlers - why? Because fuel was comparitively cheap!

Perhaps the cost of fuel is the ONLY way we will save our planet. As an asthmatic I have a very different view of air pollution and environmental regulations - I depend on them to breath. I can only hope that the price gets high enough that people start walking, riding the bus, or carpooling. We are such a wasteful society...perhaps we'll learn conservation in time to save some of this earth...perhaps not.

[Monty]

Ok - Aug 3rd gas was $2.35 - today it hit $2.60 :!: For regular :shock:

[diswick]

$2.60-2.79 right now, and that is for regular.

One of the downsides to living where everyone wants to live. Goes with the so very temperate temps year round, the 10-20 days of rain every winter, the mountain and ocean views from almost every window...

And the fact that almost everyone here has lots of money...if they don't they just refinance to live this way...houses that cost 50,000 in the 70's are now worth over a mil....I pay $875/mo for my 25x25 studio...

[diswick]

$2.60-2.79 right now, and that is for regular and last monday at that, prices have gone up, but I have not checked them in the last two days.

One of the downsides to living where everyone wants to live. Goes with the so very temperate temps year round, the 10-20 days of rain every winter, the mountain and ocean views from almost every window...

And the fact that almost everyone here has lots of money...if they don't they just refinance to live this way...houses that cost 50,000 in the 70's are now worth over a mil....I pay $875/mo for my 25x25 studio...

[reuben T]

WANT A SOLUTION?


Actually, the solution was invented in the 30's, all the patents for it were bought up by the oil co's and stored away. and now they've got the patent system tied up so nobody can patent anything of the sort anymore. It's actually a very simple device, but I've seen the proof that the oil company has carefully formulated the gas addatives to make it quickly clog up such devices. And they use every means availible to stop anyone from producing such a device. (One man was burned out, another poisened, my neighbor tried it and got threatened at gunpoint to stop by some guy that drove up to the shop in a caddy. [that happened after one fella that was driving the 70 MPG wrecker boasted about it to the wrong person]) SO!!!!! if it wern't for big oil.
all our vehicles would be getting 10 times their present gas milage. (yep!! thats right, and I can prove it.) It would solve the polution problem,(cut emissions to 1/10 or less)
It would make engines last a whole lot longer, (no carbon in the combustion byproduct to wear them out)
I'm fixin to build one myself as soon as I can get ahold of a metal lathe to make some parts. But I'll have to run it on coalman lantern fuil untill I make an additional fuil distillation chamber to seperate all the gook out.
Now,, I'm daring to put this on here hoping noone in the "system" sees it.
gotta be quiet about it or could risk getting myself kilt by those "hiway robbers" The only way around the "system" is for enough individules to become knowlegeable and build their own high milage units. nobody dares make them to sell or they would get squashed big time.
Anybody wanna persue it? the basic technology is explained in this website and one of the the e-books on the site; http://www.himacresearch.com/
I've also done a lot of work on the hybred car idea. You know the diesel electric locomotive? it's a simple hybred electric, it dosent have any surge power because there's no batteries between the generator and electric moters, therefore it has to take off very slowly. (of course it would be impractical and unnessary to have surge power in a locomotive, the traction wouldn't handle it anyway.) but there's no good reason for not having everything from the motercycle to the semi truck made hybred electric, not that hard to do. ( we're working on making one out of junk forklift parts in the front yard) the only reason it's not done is for the same reason the high milage fuil system gets squashed. (yes, they like to pretend the hybred hard to do, and they end up making them horrendously complicated which is totally unnessary.)
It's like this; the hybred usually does about a double in efficency from a normal gas engine. The high milage fuil system commenly does about a 5X increase in milage, combine the two and what happens? 10 X the present milage!! from what I know about it, that's fact, not just a theory.
but I've never heard of the combination being done. What's stopping me from doing it? financing and time. I'm not rich and I'm kind of busy doing the usual necessary things of life. I figure it'd take at least $10,000 in parts to convert a ton truck over to hybred drive, and thats with getting some parts from junk yards, like the small car engine. (3-4 28 hp electric moters with speed controllers, 20-30 deep cycle batteries, (hooked up for 120V) and a 60-80 hp small car engine driving a generator to provide average power.) And the other device (which I'll call a 'fuil conversion unit') takes more time than $$, but I do need a metal lathe/milling machine, which I plan on getting soon.
Basicly the guys in charge are crimnals (comparable to the drug lords, just scaled up) with so much money at their command that they're untouchable, and will intimidate or assanate anyone who dares touch their money machine. Mad yet? ya oughta be!! but the only thing any one can do is spread the word in private, (not talk too loud about it or you'll get in trouble,) and get a backyard shop going to create homemade vehicle drive systems. Or,, maybe a better idea, don't try to keep driving the roads, instead move out in the wilderness, get a horse, grow yer own food, and get ready for the end of the world. RT

[fran]

just wanted to know if the gas made from corn,ethanol,is being sold in the States and at what price...I heard that it is quite a bit cheaper in the States but up here it is almost the same price as regular gas....a kid out west figured out how to make cheap gas,somewhat like what Reuben is talking about,and he was supplying people with it and they closed him up...It's the stockholders who are driving up the prices,plus the taxes..people in the business say to buy oil stocks cos the price will go up to $80.00 a barrel...and that is going to make winters very expensive,to say nothing about the price of wood and we all know about hydro going up...so which ever way you turn,you're screwed...big cars/trucks are going to become obsolete and cheap and so probably are big houses,unless you are an oil stockholder.

[Monty]

Yes , our gas has minimum 10% ethenol , smells like sewer gas when it burns! :-?
EPA has certain areas where you have to buy this type of gas (pollution - emissions control) - JMHO - it should be the same gas for everyone!
If I go one or two counties over I can get straight gas! Same price :!: Doesn't make any sense - since people who live out there commute to work here ! DUH!
About 10 cents more for Premium!

[PASOFAN]

I was complaining of $2.08 on 8/1 today $2.49!! This is pure madness and sucks too. I am 35miles til empty, trying to wait it out til it drops some, only 5miles from home...

Why this big hike all of a sudden anyone know??

What about solar car?? hhhmm

E85 is that the corn ethinal stuff? It is at holiday for $.20 cheaper than regular gas...

[Jasfino]

I'm thinking maybe a scooter...but only if I could teach my doberman to hang on back for the trip over to feed the horses each evening... :D

[CarolU]

Yeah...had to gas up today, new record high (no kidding??). LOL

$2.31 for 85 octane. Grrrrrrr

At which point is it cheaper to stay home and NOT go to work?

[Amante de Fino de paso]

Frankly, i think that prices of gas are extremely high. Honestly, can anyone really afford to go anywhere. The people we should talk to CONGRESS! 1st of all, We should find a place in the USA to drill oil without hurting or jeprodizing the our enviroment.

[CarolU]

There is no such place. What we should INSIST on are fuel efficient vehicles and the development of alternate forms of energy. Solar, wind, and hydroelectric are all renewable and ARE our environment. There is no need to drill or pollute our air IF we swtiched those subsidies from the world's richest corporations for drilling to our scientists and engineeers and automakers, and come up with a better product. We've actually gone BACKWARDS from where we were 15 years ago.

[motorgypsy]

I have always wondered why so many devices are just so complicated. Anyone ever played around with an air car? Using a fan like the air boats. Perhaps solar to keep the batteries charged. Make it out of plastic - high impact stuff. It would be fun to try. Add a sail too for those long long roads out west where th ewind always blows. We need more backyard inventors and tax credits for something that works. Do you know that an egg will survive the fall from a 50 story building if you catch it in a garbage can of jello? We don't need airbags. Just make the upholstery out of jello (obviously with a cover on it to keep the stuff from going everywhere)! ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)