Correct Paso Fino Gait - Photos??? [Archive] - American Paso Finos.com Forums

Carol Nelson

11-21-2006, 07:36 PM

Will somebody post some photos of Paso Finos in gait, being ridden, with the correct headset, etc.?? My friend wants to know and I'm not so sure I can explain it right. Thanks!

Pasogirlz

11-21-2006, 07:41 PM

On the rail...in perfect gait. She could be a tad more collected, but this is ok for her age group.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b385/pasogirlz/ca3b7d69.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b385/pasogirlz/1bf5f9eb.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b385/pasogirlz/DSC_0599.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b385/pasogirlz/DSC_0632.jpg

How about those 3 on the floor reverses? :cool:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b385/pasogirlz/DSC_0635.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b385/pasogirlz/DSC_0645.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b385/pasogirlz/DSC_8467.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b385/pasogirlz/DSC_2360.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b385/pasogirlz/DSC_0637.jpg

DebbieS

11-21-2006, 07:47 PM

More of a pleasure ride so not very collected, but very smooth ;-) Also, note the very loose rein.

http://members.mato.com/dsshafto/darlene/CRW_8609.jpg

Linda Y

11-21-2006, 08:14 PM

Hope Appy doesn't mind...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/appyday/Nov19200611.jpg

Mellifluous

11-21-2006, 08:50 PM

Sorry - shameless Phoebe plug! :twisted: I took it down.

Terry Wallace

11-21-2006, 08:59 PM

Mellifluous

11-21-2006, 09:06 PM

Headsets... I see three GOOD headsets... Listo, Vence and some of the shots of Lori.
Many of the others are not breaking at the poll...they have their noses "out". A really good headset has the nose pointed at the ground and the head breaks at the poll. The neck will be "rounded" not flat from wither to poll.

I put a disclaimer with mine! :razz: Phoebe is not quite ready for her headset just yet. She hasn't been under saddle that long and I thought it was nice to show that they do gait naturally...

I will take them down since she did ask for a "good" headset - not a green horse without one. ;-)

Now, headset question.
Is it more work for the horse to maintain the nice headset. For example, once I start working with Phoebe on hers, should I expect her to keep it on really long rides and such or just let her travel in a way that is comfortable for her - or, will the headset become the way that she is comfortable?

Pasogirlz

11-21-2006, 09:07 PM

Terry Wallace

11-21-2006, 09:16 PM

Here is an example of gait and good headset.
This is the famous Contratista ridden by Melissa McIntosh.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/twobarwpaso/contratistamellissaWEB.jpg

Terry Wallace

11-21-2006, 09:22 PM

should I expect her to keep it on really long rides and such or just let her travel in a way that is comfortable for her - or, will the headset become the way that she is comfortable?

Yes, she would keep it on long rides....getting a good head set takes time, training and WORKING OFF THE HIND END....it takes true collection.

Conformation play a BIG part on "IF" a horse can be correctly collected.
Horses with slight uphill build = EASY to collect.
Horses with ewe necks or genetic sway back, long back, hollow back,etc....NOT easy to collect, as it is not easy for them to work off their hind quarters when they are not BUILT for it.

I have a stallion here that is built for collection..it comes to him naturally, and is not much work for him to be collected, and he often even runs & plays with a correct headset at liberty...

Terry Wallace

11-21-2006, 09:24 PM

LOOK at the hind quarter position on Vence, Listo and Contratista...do you see that natural collection they sport...?

JennLM

11-21-2006, 09:31 PM

Nobody shoot me for asking but..

If you are on trails relaxed and just having fun, what is the point of keeping them or having them collected?

I am trying to learn what I can so it's an honest question from me.

Kerry W

11-21-2006, 09:43 PM

LOOK at the hind quarter position on Vence, Listo and Contratista...do you see that natural collection they sport...?

Not trying to "go after you" Terry, but I think Contratista (in that photo) could stand to be a bit further under himself in the rear, to be in the proper frame of collection. Any judges care to smack me, while the smacking is good? :lol:

Terry Wallace

11-21-2006, 09:45 PM

the point would be that it keeps their body & back in shape.
When a horse can truly be collected, that collection comes from the lumbar sacral, it does not come from the "neck" it does not come from the wither.... In order to get that collection, most horses must be in good, limber and muscular shape.

When the horse engages that hindquarter, and lifts its lumbar sacral, it rounds the back and makes for a much more powerful horse.
The power of the horse is in the MOTOR...the rear end of the horse.

The hind end drives the horse when it is truly collected...you know, like a dressage horse, like a bull-fighting horse, like a lot of working cow horses...

Cindy

11-21-2006, 09:47 PM

The horse can change colection and still maintain a good headset. It just changes the frame it is moving in to a more relaxed one, head down a bit. It is important to keep a good headset because it keeps the horse moving in proper balance. This is not only good for when you do want to collect the horse, it is also good for the horse. Riding the horse out of balance can cause the horse to be sore in the back and cause lameness issues. Not to mention the horse is going to be more surefooted when ridden in proper balance thus less chance of tripping and falling, etc.

JennLM

11-21-2006, 10:04 PM

Thanks Cindy I understand now what you are talking about. :D

Cindy

11-21-2006, 10:09 PM

Thank God, someone finally understands me. :lol:

DebbieS

11-21-2006, 10:13 PM

Sorry - shameless Phoebe plug! :twisted: I took it down.

Awe Mel.... she's adorable. I love Pheobe! And we're all so proud of her (and you) on your first LDR!

Mellifluous

11-21-2006, 10:30 PM

Wow, I have learned so much on this board today. I think my brain is almost full. I will have to free up some memory so I can hold more info.

DebbieS

11-21-2006, 10:47 PM

I have a stallion here that is built for collection..it comes to him naturally, and is not much work for him to be collected, and he often even runs & plays with a correct headset at liberty...

Listo is often like that in the pasture. Cheyenne says "How can he see where he's going with his head like that?" LOL - I always thought she was talking about his hair being in his eyes :roll:

Terry Wallace

11-21-2006, 10:55 PM

Kerry that is kind of a three quarter view of Contratista...please notice how I did not say "good gait"...just "in gait", which he is. It is the headset I wanted people to notice.

When you are in the show ring...that is where great gait and great headset count most. Out in a warm-up arena, such as where Contratista was, just being ridden around and not really asked for much, he STILL sports a good headset and collection.... Could he be collected more? YES.

Debbie... that is what I call "natural talent" to me, its the best kind of horse to have, collection comes easily to them, gaiting comes easily....naturally, without a lot of training and constant riding.

Kerry W

11-21-2006, 11:07 PM

Okay, thanks for the clarification! Since it's to be a thread for someone new, I thought it might be important to clarify. He does have a sweet headset! :D

Carol Nelson

11-21-2006, 11:28 PM

Wow...guys, thanks! I'm sending her the link to this thread. I appreciate the pics and comments! I'm learning something new too! :D

cowboy ed

11-22-2006, 01:21 AM

in the picture of debbie s, also note the cool hat, long blond hair, and "nice" jeans! ;-)

CarolU

11-22-2006, 02:52 AM

in the picture of debbie s, also note the cool hat, long blond hair, and "nice" jeans! ;-)

Nice to see the males on the BB appreciating nice jeans too. ;-)

I would also like to note that a horse can be gaiting correctly, broken at the poll, nicely collected but WITHOUT it's nose pointing at the ground. Many horses with thick and shorter necks can not tuck like that without interfering with their airway or putting their head down...look at the horse in the logo. What is correct is what is natural for the that horse. And if you want to know what it is...just watch them in the field when they are excited, gaiting, collected and strutting their stuff. You'll see what is natural for them.

DebbieS

11-22-2006, 02:39 PM

in the picture of debbie s, also note the cool hat, long blond hair, and "nice" jeans! ;-)

Gee, thanks Ed. The jeans, I believe, are Old Navy low-rise boot cut stretch. Very comfy for riding. Gotta have a hat to keep the sun of your face ;-)

lisa l aka marci

11-22-2006, 02:53 PM

Thank God, someone finally understands me. :lol:

Make that two! Very good description!

Terry Wallace

11-22-2006, 03:14 PM

Ah, Carol.... the horse in the logo would get the gate at a show!
Its not a correct headset...nor is he collected or engaged! he is travelling "hollow".

Lois York

11-23-2006, 05:28 AM

This boy has a nice loose line, nice set, and is as smooooooooooooth as glass!
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/27173Red.jpg
This one of Offie, she isn't as nicely tucked but just as smooth!
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/27173Ofrenda.jpg

Lois York

11-23-2006, 05:54 AM

Oh, yeah here's three on the tree...but not breaking at the poll as nice

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/27173family2_056-med.jpg

CarolU

11-23-2006, 02:05 PM

Look at LOTS of pictures, you'll see LOTS of champions that aren't perpendicular to the ground. Some horses are built such that if you want a perpendicular face, you'll have a break at the crest and not at the poll. Zar is such a horse. This does not mean she doesn't gait properly or isn't smooth, she's just built differently. You have to take the horse's conformation into account when going for that "perfect headset"...it will be different for different horses.

CarolU

11-23-2006, 02:11 PM

Here is an example of a perpendicular face with a crest break.

http://pasobaby.tripod.com/PasoFinos/thumbnails/400x300/ZarBridgeStateFair04.jpg

Same horse, at walk, not quite perpendicular, but broken at the crest.

http://pasobaby.tripod.com/PasoFinos/thumbnails/400x300/ZarStateFairSizedPlea.jpg

Lois York

11-23-2006, 04:38 PM

Very true Carol...great pic's of your girl I might add! Conformation has a great deal to do with it. Longer necks with refinement at the throatlatch can give a much cleaner look than a short necked horse with no throatlatch area. BTW has no effect on gait but looks darn tootin'...
I've seen/heard horses in the ring whistling because they are so collected they are cutting off windpipe...WHAT a NOISE! They looked like my daughters welsh pony...but gaited! When I seen them in they're stall after I noticed they had no refinement at the throat area or very little to speak of,thick in this area. Usually short in the back, and legs to match. So once I seen this...it's a given...confo!