Should I geld him before I sell him?

[pasoglide]

I am thinking of selling my 2 1/2 year old colt . I think he will just be too much for me . He is out of El Classico dePlebeyo, Capuchino, Resorte Cuarto, El Pastor. And the dams are Malvada Sin Par, Malvaloca Sin Par, La Venus De Casta , Enigmatica . Should I geld him first or do you think
I should leeve him a stud ? Which do you think he will sell the best?

[JennLM]

We just got a colt in a trade and wished he was already gelded before he came here.

We are selling a Saddlebred colt and will be gelding him as well if he doesn't sell soon.

[Heidi]

I'd take a HARD look at him;
Unless he is near perfection conformation-wise, gaits to a "T", has a fabulous attitude and even temperament ...I'd geld him.
I feel there are too many substandard Paso Fino stallions in the breed just because "so-and-so" is in their pedigree. A name on a piece of paper doesn't make the horse. The horse is what it is. If its a good horse, great...if its a bad/poor horse...it shouldn't be breeding.
Heidi

[Terry Wallace]

If you do not feel he is stallion quality (I use the three faults and they are "out" method!) Then by all means geld him. I don't let non-stallion quality colts leave my place un-gelded.

I feel it is up to the breeder/raiser to know if that colt is stud quality or not, and not up to the buyer...especially if that buyer is not a breeder, or new to horses.

There are so many cull stallions in this breed it is terrible. Doesn't help the breed one little bit. If he doesn't meet breed standard, doesn't have a lot of natural talent, and a lot of prospect.... I would geld him.
It protects your integrity also.

JMO

[pasoglide]

He gaits perfect , conformation perfect , and I think he is performance
material . I am just not used to his brio. I think show people would love him . I would realy love to be able to ride him when his is saddled trained
he will be a dream . I think he will make me nervous though.

[pasoglide]

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[Terry Wallace]

NO horse has "perfect" confo!
Thats all I'm gonna say!

[DSDECKERT]

GELD HIM!! I can't see the pic, but a so/so stallion makes an AWESOME gelding.

[JennLM]

I feel it is up to the breeder/raiser to know if that colt is stud quality or not, and not up to the buyer...especially if that buyer is not a breeder, or new to horses.


I am sure if she wanted Breeder Only opinions she would have said so. I am sure everyone who has taken on an ungelded horse can give an opinion just as well.

[Linda Y]

I sure do agree that there are way too many stallions in the breed, just because they have famous so and so in the pedigree, maybe 3 generations back.
Think of it this way...if he were an adult stallion, would you breed a mare to him?
If he were gelded, he may become that perfect riding horse for you. I had the same delimma with Desi. He was the kind that people drooled over...BIG, black, white stockings and a white tail. He had brio out the yaya and thought himself a real bad tail. He grabbed me by my arm one day, fortunately didn't bite down...he had his whole mouth around my arm...let me go when I yelled, and I turned right around and went in to the house to call the vet. He still kept his macho attitude and was the best trail horse I ever threw a leg across. He is out in the pasture 25 years later, still macho, but just can't back it up anymore.
Consider the horse's future life, and what an outstanding gelding he may make, instead of one of a legion of maybe good stallions.

[cowboy ed]

geld him.

[Terry Wallace]

Jenn...? I think you took that the wrong way.

All I'm saying is a responsible breeder does not let somebody else decide if a colt is stallion quality.

I did NOT say anything about ONLY breeders responding to this question.

LOOK at where this breed is right now... so many mediocre stallions, so many GOOD gelding prospects...

When will the PFHA recognize that it is the GELDING who shines most in nearly every breed.

[Carol Nelson]

He will sell much faster if you geld him. :smile:

[Polly Aulton]

Carol - Nothing is selling "fast" these days. :( Therefore if the horse is giving you handling problems then definitely geld him before someone gets hurt. If you're nervous around him he'll know and probably take advantage of you. If you think he's bad now...wait until he breeds his first mare! Be aware though that he probably will not sell well until he's a fully trained riding gelding.
Terry is right in that there should be more acknowledgement of the geldings within every breed. They are its backbone. A good gelding tells you more about a stallion than a good mare does. Don't jump on me it's just my opinion.
I've heard talk about conformation, gait but nothing about teeth, head, what the horse would contribute to the breed, etc. Those are additional things you need to consider when you are considering keeping a horse as a stallion prospect. A good stallion is not just a pedigree.
This is another one of those interesting discussions. I'd like to see some of these discussions among other breed groups I belong to.
Polly
PS: Terry would you please post a photo of sickle hocks or even pm me. I've lost some of my reference material and sickle hocks was part of it.

[Terry Wallace]

yes I will Polly...I will put it on another thread (start a new thread).
Since I have already been "slapped" once here!

[Mrs. E.]

I would say geld him. I bought a young ( 3yrs old) stallion not long ago. I had just lost my sweet stallion I had had for over twenty years. The new horse is from good breeding. Nevado sire out of a very good mare. I liked the way he moved and he was of good size but he just did not have that little something. So, I did not need a show horse, I wanted a trail horse and one I could put with the girls, so I gelded him. He is a bit of a pill but we are making progress. Slowly that is. :smile

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[motorgypsy]

Make some good videos. Take lots the right kind of pictures and ask some knowledgeable people what they think about him as a stallion prospect. Read everything you can, go to lots of trail rides and shows and then go with your instinct. We rode a wonderful stallion when we were horse shopping and didn't even know how really good he was until much later. He just was ho hum to us. You probably will have a better market for a gelding but IF he really is show quality people who show for a living can tell you and you can market to show people.

Why do we keep our three boys stallions? We have one gelding by the way and he needs to be a gelding because his gait is not good enough to breed although he has many other characteristics that are amazing. Our stallion was a pasture ornament for about 5 years. He was show trained at three and did well. We got on him and rode him with another stallion and three mares around a 2 mile suburban block. He never missed gait, has a great range of gait and was perfectly behaved after an initial five minute argument we had when a thoroughbred colt challenged him over a fence next door. We can pull him out of the pasture, saddle him right up and ride him any time. Yes he's reluctant to leave his women but he does. Colt number two is the son of our superlargo mare and our stallion. He has amazing gait and the sweetest disposition you could ever ask for. We're hoping for another superlargo horse with him and he loves to jump.. Colt three is a mini pintaloosa we hope to breed to a blackshetland mare for a child's riding and cart pony. If he greys out we won't breed him though.

If you have no very good reason to perpetuate his line then by all means geld. As far as brio - you might be very surprised at what a tractable riding horse he becomes.

[Terry Wallace]

Mrs E...Dats a Nize lookin' horse !!

[motorgypsy]

Terry I was thinking the same thing - DROOL!!!!

[Lois York]

A good stallion MAKES a GREAT gelding! Mom has always said that, and she heard it from an ol' horseman.

[Moniece Dickerson]

Ooooooh Mrs.E GORGEOUS horse you have there YOWZA!!!Your friend,Moniece

[LynnG]

My philsophy is 95% of colts should be geldings. Horses are about being riding horses, not so much about breeding horses.... Geldings make exellent riding horses, and usually aim to please. Geldings get to be much more social herd animals during their life. If a stallion is not being used for breeding for whatever reason, why keep him a stallion. I have noted more then once at shows, the quality of the gelding under saddle classes can be much better then the colts/stallions class, say per the pleasure division. So in that case, someone had the foresight to geld some good colts.

People need to be very discriminating in keeping colts as stallions. It is not a death sentence for the horse by being gelded! I've said it before ..colts or stallions need to have that extra "IT" quality, plus be a total package in breed qualities! I've seen too many left stallions that don't have IT. IT doesn't mean they're a bad horse either, just not that extra special quality that gets them noticed.

[Brigitte]

Geld him, to me since you're asking us, it means you're not sure.For him to stay a stallion you shouldn't have any doubts about him

[GeorgeGuns]

If a stallion is not being used for breeding for whatever reason, why keep him a stallion.
Well I have a hairball answer to that one. Bri. That horse would never speak to me again if i gelded him....well he might after a few years, but at 17, its not worth it. Its too risky at his age, he is settled into his routine and the only thing that could improve his lifestyle would be a social herd, but the girls would have to be off the farm for me to feel even remotely safe about this; or he'd have to be weaning babies and that ain't happ'nin here. In his case too, if he were gelded, he'd fall terminally asleep, lol, he's that laid back. I would also miss the special calls he makes just for me that I fear might go away with the daddybags! He may get bred again, but not to mine, and if not, well, we are happy with the status quo.