Leasing a belly of a mare coming to the USA ... BIG SAVINGS!

[Rafael Arbelo]

I want to inform you about a way of saving thousands of dollars in acquiring a foal with solid bloodlines. I have a friend that will bring 3 or 4 PPRPF mares from Puerto Rico to Orlando, FL in the upcoming year. He bought a ranch there and will bring his animals with him.

I suggested to him that in order to defray the cost of transporting the animals, that he should lease the bellies to people in the USA that are looking to improve and update their stock with solid bloodlines.

Let’s look at it; (the numbers are approximates)

Cost of buying a mare in PR

Cost of buying a mare in Puerto Rico …… $4K to $15 or more
Cost of transporting an animal including quarantine (if approved by the Feds) …. $2.5K to $3K
Cost of Stallion Fee of your preference for the mare …. $350 to $2,000 (most are in the $500 to $750 range, Labriego is the only one at $2K)

Grand Total of buying and transporting ranges anywhere from $6,850 to $18,750





Cost of leasing a belly coming to the USA

Cost of belly …. (Including monthly fee of animal care) $4,500 to $5,500
Cost of stallion Fee … $350 to $2000 (again Labriego is the lonely one at $2K)

Grand Total of leasing ranges anywhere from $4,850 to $7,500

Other than the financial savings, if you lease a belly you can choose the best possible stallion for the mare ...

If you are interested I can post the pedigrees of the animals coming to the states so you can take a look at them ... Perhaps a video of the mares could be made available to serious buyers ... :eek:
Let me hear what you think

[Terry Wallace]

47 views and no comments.....

Well..is it just me? or does anyone else think that buying a PPR foal already on the ground would be a better buy than risking what you would get for $7,500 on a belly lease & breeding?

To me, IMO... its not a good deal at all to pay $4500++ for a belly lease...plus stud fee, plus keep...when you could buy a PPR foal already here, for likely less money.... and know right off what you are getting.

JMO... ;-)

[Candice Burger]

No Terry you are not alone, but I figured you deserved first dibs. :razz:

I think the response says it all.

[pprpaso3]

I agree this doesn't sound like a deal to me either. There are plenty of well bred Pr mares and stallions here in USA and offspring from them.

You can lease PR mares with great lines for half that price or less. I was flabergasted when I saw the suggested prices to do this! If you want help to defray costs you have to make it a real deal or it won't fly........after all it would be helping with the fees to transport the horses to USA. Otherwise the PR breeder will have to pay it all out of pocket........some help is better than none at all.

No offense intended ..........

Debbie

[Cindy]

Depends on the quality of the mares.

[Pasogirlz]

Depends on the quality of the mares.
That is what I was thinking. ;-)

[Kerry W]

What if you want a foal from a stallion in Puerto Rico who isn't available through AI? There are quite a few nice horses down there, that would make this a worthwhile proposition for someone who wished to have one of their foals.

[Rafael Arbelo]

Folks the prices I quoted are just estimates and nothing else ... The final say would have to be agreed between the buyer and the seller ... and the point Kerry makes about the stallions is quite important also ... No doubt, there are a lot of factors that need to be considered, but, if is worked out properly both parties can gain mutual benefits ...

[Pasogirlz]

Got any pix/video of the horses or any of their offspring? :D

[Candice Burger]

Pros and cons to both arguments.

If you are looking for a good paso with good qualities and nothing specific, I don't think this is the type of deal for you. The equine market, overall, is flat in the USA right now. It's a buyer's market. So, if I were looking for a good riding horse or a nice youngster, this wouldn't be very attractive to me.

If you are looking into investing into bloodlines that can't be had or have some specific goal in mind--this may seem not only reasonable but cheap. For instance, the Cuentas Claras line is producing very consistently so an astute breeder might want access to this line either through the mare or the stallion. the mares can't be had for the prices quoted here. Don Toqui is another valuable line from the mare side. But I also know of stallions in the USA that carry both of these lines as well.

Could be an opportunity for a PPR breeder in the states to refresh their lines. Several approaches could be taken. Either breed the mare in PR or breed to a stallion in the states.

Depends on the mare/stallion/owners etc. to say whether it's worth it or not. Afterall, look at Capuchino's, Classico's, Imponente's, Delirio's stud fees.

The question is about risk and how much risk into the future someone wants to take. Depending on the mares, the consistency of production of the lines they represent and the type of stallion.

Some benefits to leasing is that you don't have long-term care of the mare and she isn't taking up space in your pasture. You don't have to hassle with getting a horse in quarantine and shipping it up. You have some discretion about accessing bloodlines; you can pick and choose unlike the mares you have at home.

Some disadvantages are this being a one shot deal. You don't own the mare, so you can't spread the cost of breeding over several years. The risk is higher because you've increased the unknown elements. If the foal doesn't work out, you lose both the mare and the foal.

[Rafael Arbelo]

All of the mares that Dr. Marrero (the owner) is bringing to the USA can be videotaped and a copy can be distributed to serious interested people. All of the mares are DNA tested and registered in the entities in Puerto Rico. Some of the stallions available to choose from have been featured here in a different topic.

I spoke with him this morning and he said he was going to start testing his animals for Pyro to determine wheter or not they meet the Federal conditions to be brought to the state of Florida.

[Candice Burger]

Well, a pic and a pedigree is a good start.

Any projected date of when the horses will be in the States? Some folks might want to take advantage and breed to a stallion in Puerto Rico.

[dcancel]

Yes it would still be nice to know what he is bringing from PR. Can you post name and pedigrees and if any of these animals have competed. Is he coming to breed.

DC