Horse Slaughter Pettition

[Paso Matchmaker Extraordinaire]

This info was sent to me by my cousin who is a huge advocate for stopping the slaughter of horses for human consumption.
This is not meant to start a huge debate, but for those who are interested, please feel free to sign the petition.

Dear Friends,

I have just read and signed the petition: "Ban the Export of Live Horses for Slaughter"


We are trying to reach 20000 signatures, and we need YOUR HELP!



Please help by signing this petition. It takes 30 seconds and will really help. Please follow this link:


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/902244879



Once you have signed, help even more, by telling your friends and family to sign as well!

[sporthorse]

Lori when I was in Vegas (lived and rode there for four years) I was active in the BLM and wild horse and mustang preservation.Mustangs and feral horses are two differant animals and a whole debate among scientists exisits there. The slaughter is not a good thing but who consumes is not the issue. Human consumption is not any differant than for other animals higher life forms or not :wink: However the roundups and greed abuse has to be checked by involved individals like horse people not phanatics on eitherside.

[PasoJosieJ]

I think horse slaughter is totally WRONG no matter what I think it should be band in ALL countries horses are like our children would you slaughter your child :?: I think NOT

[pnalley]

I guess she wasn't worried Cindy, now she's stirring the pot :dead horse :oops:

[PasoJosieJ]

Why would I be worried :?:

[CarolU]

I wish there were a choice (that could really come true): "Becomes unnecessary."

[PasoJosieJ]

I wish it was a choice to I wish there was something we could do about it :(

[Pam M]

There IS something you can do about it...2 things actually...get people to stop breeding OR take in all the unwanted horses yourself and give them a nice home lol:

[PasoJosieJ]

Thats easier said then done I tried to get my father-in-law to stop breeding but he wont even through I know he would never send the horses to be slaughtered.

[Heidi]

I am for horse slaughter, for any purpose. Once the horse is dead, it is dead. It doesn't care what happens to it, and neither did its' owners, which is sad.
This just means that for people who DO care about their horses, they will do everything in their power to give their horse a dignified end. For the people who don't care?...it will alleviate a lot of needless equine suffering from neglect, starvation or abandonment.

I think horse slaughter is necessary, until it becomes un-necessary.
I can't save them all, or care for them all. The best I can do is care for my own the best I can.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Dont be worried!!!!! the next question will be, and who will be feeding these horses? jejejejejejejejejejejejejejejejejejeje !!!!!

I am very glad to hear Lori that your cousin is concern!!!!!!!!!

I dont need to do any explaination nor try convince nor discuss nor "DEBATE" with anyone in PUBLIC as of why I am againts HORSE SLAUGHTERING!!!!!!!! all I can say is, KUDOS for those that can find other venues than just in plain words send a horse to the KILLER for easy quick CASH!!!!!!!! for me that is being a plain "KILLER"

I am 100% percent against HORSE SLAUGHTERING and is all I can say!!!!!!

AND "YES" we do save horses!!!!!

CALL ME A MORON!!!! CALL ME STUPID, LOVE OR HATE ME, and guess what makes no difference!!!!!

AGAIN!!!! for all of you that loves DEBATES and QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!! sorry!!!! this is my opinion!!!!!!! and let me encorage you to stand infront of a mirrow big and tall and debate and ask all you want to yourself!!!!! perhaps that will make you feel a litle better!!!!!!!!


Saludos!!!!!

[PasoJosieJ]

I feel the same way about horse slaughter I think it is CRUEL AND UNNESSISARY :evil: :mad:

[Pam M]

I agree that it's cruel and sad but I don't agree that it's unnecessary. On the contrary, until people stop breeding and start stepping up to take in "extra" horses, it is not only necessary but it can be kinder than the alternative.

[Cindy]

I guess she wasn't worried Cindy, now she's stirring the pot
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I was kinda thinking the same thing, Paula. :roll:

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

I feel the same way about horse slaughter I think it is CRUEL AND UNNESSISARY :evil: :mad:

PsoJosie!!!!! we are on a PASO FINO HORSE FORUM that not everyone thinks alike! and NOR do we want that either!!!!! all I can say, I RESPECT everyones opinion!!!! but some people here has yet not learn how to respect yours!!!!!

So, dont be surprise!!!!!!!!

Saludos!

[PasoJosieJ]

There is nothing human about killing a horse and using it for dog food I think that is the worst alteritive

[PasoJosieJ]

Thank you I know everyone has an opinion but that doesn't mean I have to like it at all Thanks Caliber

[CarolU]

There is nothing human about killing a horse and using it for dog food I think that is the worst alteritive

Just a question. What do you feed your dog?

For the record, I'm a naturalist. I believe horses are prey animals and meant to be eaten. I personally feel it is a disgrace to waste so much nutritional meat...for what? Vanity? There are children who go to bed hungry in this country, every night. I'm not sure why Americans are so selfish that we'd rather see hungry kids then face the reality that this is a finite planet, with finite resources, that will sustain a finite number of life forms. It is called Nature...and it's how it is meant to be. JMO

[PasoJosieJ]

I feed my dogs bread and table food my dogs are just like people

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

There is nothing human about killing a horse and using it for dog food I think that is the worst alteritive

Just a question. What do you feed your dog?

For the record, I'm a naturalist. I believe horses are prey animals and meant to be eaten. I personally feel it is a disgrace to waste so much nutritional meat...for what? Vanity? There are children who go to bed hungry in this country, every night. I'm not sure why Americans are so selfish that we'd rather see hungry kids then face the reality that this is a finite planet, with finite resources, that will sustain a finite number of life forms. It is called Nature...and it's how it is meant to be. JMO


SOCIALISM??????? hummmm we need HILLARY!!!!! CAROLU, dont forget RELIGION and CULTURE!!!!!!! that can also play a BIG roll on HUNGER!!!!!! Lets be NUDE!!!!! mmmmmm!!! is part of being NATURALIST too!!!!!! PICTURES PLEASE!!!!!

[Carol Nelson]

Um...thank you ...but I wouldn't eat my horses any more than I would eat my dogs.... :roll:

[Carol Nelson]

It is called Nature...and it's how it is meant to be. JMO

Well...um...let's see...in Nature...humans are prey for tigers and lions...is that allowable??? Sorry...but JMHO

[PasoJosieJ]

I know I wouldn't eat my dogs either

[Cindy]

humans are prey for tigers and lions

How do you figure that? Humans have been predators of lions and tigers and every other animal on the face of the earth since the begining of time.

[PasoJosieJ]

That is nature there is nothing natural about eating a horse

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Yeap!!!! and TARZAN and CHITA camp in my backyard!!!! but no JANE!!!! I wonder what happend to her!!!!! she must be campaining!!! for Hillary

[Carol Nelson]

humans are prey for tigers and lions

How do you figure that? Humans have been predators of lions and tigers and every other animal on the face of the earth since the begining of time.





What???? Are you kidding???? Every year there are news articles about people being attacked and killed by lions and tigers and panthers and etc. etc. etc. Are you telling me that you don't think that humans are prey animals too?????

How many joggers get attacked every year by mountain lions...??? We ARE prey animals...

[Cindy]

That is nature there is nothing natural about eating a horse


Tell that to the lions and tigers.

[PasoJosieJ]

Eatting horses is just wrong no matter what anybody says about nature or lions tigers or bears

[Cindy]

What???? Are you kidding???? Every year there are news articles about people being attacked and killed by lions and tigers and panthers and etc. etc. etc. Are you telling me that you don't think that humans are prey animals too?????


I guess it depends on the humans. Every year there are also articles about humans being attacked and killed by dogs and each other for that matter. So are we prey for dogs too? What about snakes, they kill people. Moose kill people all the time. Rats killed thousands with the plague they gave us. Are we prey to them as well? Cars kill more people than any animals ever thought of as do cigarettes. As Josie said, that's nature. Kill or be killed. Predator and prey. Only the strong survive. Do I feel more like a prey animal than a predator? Get a grip. Not in this lifetime.

[Carol Nelson]

Lori....I am just gonna spank you!!! :roll: ;-) :lol:

[Cindy]

Lori didn't do it. Josie did. Lori's post was made in 2005.

[Carol Nelson]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Well...so it was...!!! Duh...dumb me...! Well, I sure jumped on the bandwagon...LOLOLOL.... :lol:

Got my mind off the hurricane.... :lol:

[PasoJosieJ]

Thats right Cindy kill or be killed we have a choice horses don't we make that decision form them and I say no way DONT KILL

[Cindy]

Josie, I'm not in on this debate. I have not said a word about horse slaughter nor will I.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Well...so it was...!!! Duh...dumb me...! Well, I sure jumped on the bandwagon...LOLOLOL.... :lol:

Got my mind off the hurricane.... :lol:

Carol, are you in low land or high land?

[PasoJosieJ]

I am sorry Cindy I didnt mean to upset you :smile:

[Carol Nelson]

Felix...we're up high...we rarely get the bad stuff...I'm listed as a safe haven for evacuees both here and with Southwestern Region. Wouldn't hurt to say a prayer for us though! Thanks for askin'! ;-)

[Cindy]

I am sorry Cindy I didnt mean to upset you

You have no need to be sorry. What makes you think you upset me?

By the way, welcome to the forum.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Trust me!!!! I will, good to hear you are high!!!! I am sure you will also assist those in lower lands!!!! if needed!

[PasoJosieJ]

I didnt know thank you :smile:

[Heidi]

Regarding predator vs prey and how 'man' fits in there...
We ARE on the menu (predators; sharks, big cats, bears et cetera) and we are also mortal (prey; moose, deer, hippo and other herbivores).

Yes it is natural. Lions will kill cheetahs and hyenas...predator killing other killable predators.

[Heidi]

I feed my dogs bread and table food my dogs are just like people
Um, no, your dogs are not just like people, they are dogs. It is you who are treating them like people.
Dog food is balanced to meet a canine's dietary needs. People food does not meet a dog's dietary needs. Unless you have researched home-made dog food and have the proper ingredients, supplements and vitamins, I feel you are doing your dogs a disservice by feeding them in the manner you have stated.

Have you heard of the vegetarians who have tried to make their pets eat the same diet they do because of their beliefs? They have blinded their cats because of the unbalanced vegetarian diet being used to feed a carnivorous animal. I am unfamiliar with how a vegetarian diet affects dogs.
Dogs and cats need to be fed like dogs and cats just like a horse needs to be fed like a horse.

[Cindy]

Only animal alive who has no predators- Blue whale. That is no natural predators. Although we kill them.

[Heidi]

Only animal alive who has no predators- Blue whale.
Not necessarily true...I watched an episode of Blue Planet the other night where a group (pod?) of Killer Whales attacked a mother Blue Whale and her calf. The KWs seperated the two, tired the calf and killed and ate it.
Granted, the KWs appeared unable to harm the adult, but the young were certainly on their "list" of edible sea creatures.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

I did not Know that!!! thanks for the info!

[Cindy]

Yeah, the young of anything are targets. What about elephants. Seems they may not have any natural predators either.

[Pasomom]

MAN are their major predators...for their beautiful ivory tusk.

Don't know if that would be qualified as "natural"

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

TRIVIA:What is the difference between an African and an Asian Elephant?

[Cindy]

Don't know if that would be qualified as "natural"

No, man kills everything.

TRIVIA:What is the difference between an African and an Asian Elephant?
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That's easy. One lives in Africa and one lives in Asia. :rofl

Just kidding. It's their EARS. Their ears are different.

Trivia question number 2- How can you tell the diffrence in a seal and a sea lion.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

color of skin and the sea lion has a tromp

[Pasomom]

NO fair, I knew the elephant question! :lol: ;-)

I know I have probably heard the answer to the seal/sea lion question, but I am in too much of a pain pill stupor to remember :D ;-)

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Don't know if that would be qualified as "natural"

No, man kills everything.

TRIVIA:What is the difference between an African and an Asian Elephant?
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That's easy. One lives in Africa and one lives in Asia. :rofl

Just kidding. It's their EARS. Their ears are different.

Trivia question number 2- How can you tell the diffrence in a seal and a sea lion.


Got that right, the African his ears are shape with the continent of Africa

[Cindy]

color of skin and the sea lion has a tromp
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Nope. Try again. But what is a tromp? :lol:

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Trompa! is a trump? maybe?

[Pasomom]

Ah I got it....their ears.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

sea lion has hair and the seal does not?

[Cindy]

You got it. Sea lions have ears and seals do not. Also, sea lions walk on all four limbs but seals kind of drag their hind end along.

[Pasomom]

Sea Lions have little ears. Seals just have openings.
Sea Lions also can rotate ther tail fin to help them get around...seals can't

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

very good Pasomom!!!!!

[Cindy]

Caiber, you can't just guess anything that comes to your mind. :roll: :lol:

[Cindy]

Sea Lions have little ears. Seals just have openings.
Sea Lions also can rotate ther tail fin to help them get around...seals can't
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Hey, didn't I just say that. Mom, how many meds are you on anyway?
:rofl :rofl

[Pasomom]

Well, you know, I have to type with this right arm too......I'm a little slow on the draw sometimes......plus I AM on duty, and trying to watch other threads......(does that sound like a good excuse?)

[Cindy]

......(does that sound like a good excuse?)


Sure, just don't forget about the visit. :angel

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

I was trying by memory to to compare both!!!! I remember one time seing a bunch of them and the seals where darker and the lions lighter ,had more like a mini elephant trump!!! and also remember out of a documentary that the seal lion had like hairs , and also in that documentary they did mentioned the ears and the opening!!!!! and something about their vision!!! too.

[Cindy]

Hey, what happened to Josie. :lmao I think we scared her off.

It's your turn, Mom. We need a new trivia question.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

LOL

[Pasomom]

"Sure, just don't forget about the visit. :angel

Hey, aren't you getting these threads mixed up....I thought we had that one going on another thread........don't be trying to confoose me!

[Pasomom]

You go ahead and pick one..... I can't think to clear tonight ;-)

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

MOM you are in the: 2005/SLAUGHTER/PREDITORS/SOCIALIST/HILLARY/TRIVIA THREAD :rofl

[Pasomom]

Well, I've been bouncing back and forth between this thread and the other thread all night....You guys are keeping me hopping!

[Pasomom]

The "eye opener" thread

[Cindy]

Getting a little forgetful? Have the CRS disease? :lmao :lmao

[Pasomom]

Yeah big time! Comes on real fast after you lose all those wonderful hormones!

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

MOM, are you going to the Nationals?

[Pasomom]

Calibur, I am not sure yet. I don't think I will haul my rig up this year for sure. To much on the shoulder ...alot of work setting up the LQ. Lori will be there and if I come, will probably come for just a few days.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

sounds good!

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

I just had a real bad colic this evening!!! wow!!!! everything went wrong with this poor horse!!!! Fever 102, colic, I hope we saved him

[Pasomom]

Holy cow.....how come you just telling us about this...we could have been praying for that horse tonight....or at least I would have been.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

I was just trying to unwined!!!! but thanks for offering your prayers!!!! Gitano and I for sure can use it!!!! KUDOS to the Vet the stayed with him for 4 hours!!!! making sure he will come back, I think we caught it just on time.

[Pasomom]

Well I sure hope you guys can bring the horse around. Glad we were able to give you some wound down fun.

I will be praying for your horses full recovery and that you guys can hang with it until it is out of the woods.

Hugs,

[Jasfino]

(((hugs))) Caliber... I hope your horse is much better in the morning!

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Thanks MOM, I need to check on him again, I hope he will recover from this one!!!!! this horse just arrived one week ago! his conditions where very poor!!!! and he is the sweetest thing!!!!!! I have gotten very attached to him!!!!! his owner passed away not long ago.......and this horse was like his child!!! Elderly couple!!!!! never had kids and his widow did not had a clue what to do!!!!!! she departed to burried her husband at their native country!!!!! where she will reside until her turn comes around!!!!!! sad story behind it!!!!! that is why! I feel so attached to GITANO!!!!!

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Thanks Jas!!! I do appreciate your thoughts

[Pasomom]

I heard you rescued one about a week ago...that the horse?

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

yes!!! I usually sent the rescues to Ocala!!!! but this guy I promised the widow that he will always be wth me!!!!!! I am glad I did!!!! he is great company to have around.......

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Please pray for his recovery!!!!

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[Pasomom]

Thanks Calibur for practicing what you preach! What a sweet horse. I sure hope he makes it thru OK> Take those pix tonight?

[Jasfino]

Oh.. he's so sweet... prayers going up for his recovery...

He's so lucky to have found you... :hug

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

No! MOM those pictures are from day of his arrival!!!! the moment they unload Gitano to his new permanent HOME!!!

[Pasomom]

well he looked pretty good. I'm sure his previous owner is smiling down on you, knowing how much you care for his horse. Bless you, and we will be sendings kisses and hugs to you both.

Well, think I am heading to bed. The pain meds are wearing off....need to get to sleep before they completely wear out! ;-)

I hope I wake up to a new day feeling good, and you and Gitano are feeling great too! Take care and Have a good evening.

Looks like the board has mostly gone to bed, and who's left is no trouble.....going off duty! Check back in, in the morning. give us a report on Gitano.

Good evening all,

[CarolU]

SOCIALISM??????? hummmm we need HILLARY!!!!! CAROLU, dont forget RELIGION and CULTURE!!!!!!! that can also play a BIG roll on HUNGER!!!!!! Lets be NUDE!!!!! mmmmmm!!! is part of being NATURALIST too!!!!!! PICTURES PLEASE!!!!!

Felix...if you want to put it in a religious text, then we are ALL God's creatures and God created horses to be prey animals, and therefore wants them eaten and not wasted.

And if you want to put it in a cultural text, remember that horses originally came from North America. Some escaped to Asia on the land bridge. Those that remained here were eaten by early North Americans. The Indians ate horses as did all the early settlers, pilgrims, and pioneers. It is only a recent fad to be so wasteful.

[Heidi]

What about elephants. Seems they may not have any natural predators either.
Lions.
I just watched my DVD of Planet Earth and it showed a segment of a large pride of lions who worked together (weight) to bring down a healthy adult elephant.

I think you may be closest to the Blue Whale as having no/few oceanic predators, since the segment I watched was where the calf expired from Killer Whales hunting it. You are absolutely correct, the young of every species are vulnerable.

I missed everything about Gitano last night, how is he doing today?

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Thanks for asking Heidi!!! he is in good Sprit!!!! we are waiting for some blood work from the lab!!! it was severe!!!!! the vet has been in contact all night and morning and should be stoping by sometime in the afternoon!

Thanks for asking Heidi!!!! that means alot to me.

Saludos!

[reuben T]

the slaughter issue is a hard one, to do it raises serious issues, and to not do it causes serious problems which seem to have no solution, therefore all I can do is take a neutral position on it for the time being.
What we see in this world, and call nature or natural, is actually a severe corruption of nature. I call it normal, as in normal for a terribly messed up world. But what nature was like after it came from the hand of God is what real nature is. I cannot answer all the questions that can arise as to how it all worked, but i do know it was perfectly balanced with no pain or death for any of the creatures, and that all of them were vegetarians. There are little signs and evidences left in nature, and even in the very makeup of the most confirmed predators, that such was the original way of things. Here's a chaptor on it. http://www.preparingforeternity.com/pp/pp02.htm