Excellent work!

[Kerry W]

http://www.pasopedigree.com/Forum/default.asp?CAT_ID=7

I hope those who helped push this through, are thoroughly pleased with themselves. It is unfortunate that the human ego, must ALWAYS trump the best interest of this breed!

WAY TO GO!

[ErinC]

wow,
bummer.
I never really went there but I know it was a LARGE part of many people lives.

[paintedhorizon]

Oh poor Charlie! :cry:

[Laura S]

I just noticed that too. That is too bad, sounds like it was a hard decision to make. I did find the link from his page to pasovoice.com. It is still under construction, but looks like it will be good.....and important!

[Terry Wallace]

I don't think anyone "pushed it through"... Charlie has been wanting out for a while.... I think Pasos did not work out for him like he expected them too....

[paintedhorizon]

I have to disagree here. I have personally talked to Charlie and he did NOT want out. He was really hoping this other forum would work out.
Charlie has been wanting out for a while....

[Terry Wallace]

Well...I personally talked to him at the last October party at Albert Vegas and that is why I said that....
AND...now..he is going to try and auction off the horses.....

I don't see any listed for sale yet.....

Its pretty tough to sell pasos here is all I can say....
No hay, and not much interest......

a quote from Charlie.....
I encourage you to take notice of this site because it is about the future of the Paso Fino Horse and I fully believe that if changes are not made soon the result will not be positive. Changes are badly needed and the time for talk is over and the time for acting is here.

This quote was in reference to pasovoice.com but I think it pretty much says what he is thinking....

[Cindy]

Kerry, would you like to elaborate on that? I have no idea what or who you are refering to. As far as I could see, pasopedegree had been going just fine since Charlie reupped it. In fact, it was much better than before and I just do not see what you apparently see. So could you please enlighten me?

[Candice Burger]

It was the badgerbadger song Cindy I am sure!

Thank goodness I didn't follow up with the Mango song.

[Pasogirlz]

As far as I could see, pasopedegree had been going just fine since Charlie reupped it. In fact, it was much better than before

I agree. :not worthy

[Cindy]

And what happened to your new avatar? Hmmmm???? I have been looking forward to it and still I do not see it. :poking

[Cindy]

Oops, that was to Candice, not Lori. :-?

[Candice Burger]

:oops: I've got to take it home and resize it.

Here's one for Charlie

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/aaaaaaaaaaaaahaha/


It's terrible to see the humor when a guy is down and out. 'Tis life

Seriously, I bet Lori can relate.

[Cindy]

I have added that to my favorites. Just so I can explain to my husband where my mind is at at times.

[Candice Burger]

We've all been there. I'm still trying to decide which one though.

POLL TIME!

[motorgypsy]

I hate it that he's closed the forum. What a shame.

[Kerry W]

:oops: I've got to take it home and resize it.

Here's one for Charlie

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/aaaaaaaaaaaaahaha/


It's terrible to see the humor when a guy is down and out. 'Tis life

Seriously, I bet Lori can relate.

This, from the "leader" of Paso Voice? Does the humor you find lie in the fact that Charlie was so fed up he closed it down, or that this breed, which has so few resources for people who want more information or help, has one LESS resource today? Please explain, because I just don't get the joke. :new confused

[Cindy]

Kerry, I will ask again as you did not answer the first time. What and who are you refering to and what the Hell are you talking about. Unless I am blind, nothing has gone on over there that would cause Charlie to close the site. So if you are going to come on here to try to stir up trouble, you could at least have the decency to explain what you are talking about. Otherwise, if you do not have the fortitude to explain your accusations, perhaps they were better left unsaid.

[Pasogirlz]

Seriously, I bet Lori can relate.

There are lots of days when I get so frustrated w/this place I'd like to just shut it down. I often wonder how long I will have the energy and patience to continue. So yeah, I can relate. ;-) Admin-ing is not as easy as it looks.

And there are days when I get so much joy from this place, I couldn't imagine my life w/o it now.

[Kerry W]

Sorry you missed all the "fun" Cindy. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, then it's safe to assume I wasn't speaking to you. ;-)

[Cindy]

It does not matter to whom you were speaking, you spoke in a public venue. Therefore, you were speaking to everyone in that venue. If you had wanted to speak to just one person, you could have spoken to just one person without posting on a public forum. Instead, you chose to post on a public forum but refuse to explain yourself. As I said, perhaps it was better left unsaid. Or at least left in private.

[Kerry W]

Did I say I was speaking to "one" person? No, I did not. You made an assumption.

[CarolU]

Well, I am sad to see it go. There were lots of times I didn't get into the Spanish posts (didn't understand them), but I enjoyed a lot of the other posts and discussions. I understand why Charlie would call it quits though. There comes a time when you get burned out, even from things you once loved. When a labor of love becomes a drudgery, it's time to move on.

[TrueStepPaso]

There comes a time when you get burned out, even from things you once loved.

Exactly. Especially when it consumes your day to day life.

I don't know Charlie, and I wasn't terribly familiar with his site...but I do remember alot of arguments...I could see constantly monitoring behavior like that to become quite draining and unrewarding....

[Candice Burger]

Kerry,

I'm with Cindy on this. I don't understand why you chose this particular site and this particular method to show your disgust in whom? It was accusatory and very specifically aimed here. I didn't see it anywhere else, why was that? Why even bring it up at all? Obviously you didn't see the positive changes with pasopedigree that others have seen including myself. 99% of the exchanges weren't personal nor intended to be.

As for the joke, well, I guess it wasn't meant to be funny for everyone. It takes going beyond the joke to see the sadness in the humor.

I'm not running for office or asking for a popularity vote. I'm stating a real concern and if folks can't get away from the personal aspects of the messenger, don't come looking to me because I understand that it's not the messenger but the message I'm supporting. I have and will continue to work with whomever for the breed. If you can't stomach that, then don't. Actually I've been waiting for some one else to take on this task because I am flawed, know it, and have no intentions of changing or making excuses for it. I got tired of waiting. I have only a few more decades left and thought I'd do something while I still could. If anyone wants to take the torch out of my hand or raise the banner, you've got me behind you 100%. I'm not a true leader and am not going to ever pretend that I am. I am a warrior fighting for an organization that I believe in and for a breed that I love.

That is the whole problem in the breed suggesting only a few are worthy of participating--that you have to "like" someone to work towards the common good for the breed. I really don't care if you like me or not. But I love this breed and I admire those that will work for it including those that I personally have a great distaste for. This breed is my job and when I'm on the job I'll work with every SOB that will help me accomplish my work.

Your intimating comment about Charlie demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the full set of circumstances that led to his decision. If it were only the one item that you seem to think it was, I am positive Charlie would still have an open forum today. His choice to start the forum and his choice to end the forum was driven by more than one episodic event. I don't believe anyone knows the full truth of the matter except, perhaps, Barbara. Frankly, he doesn't have to explain himself to me.

If you are that concerned about it, then why not act on it yourself. I'm sure if you approached Charlie with the idea of buying the forum and reestablishing it, he would support you. I would not be surprised if you asked to rent space on his site so that it could continue seamlessly, he may even consider it. He does have his other domain names up for sale including the one that had the newer forum on it. Why not buy the site yourself, purchase the forum content and with Charlie's assistance open it back up again? I'm not going to do it because of the time involved and the upfront costs. Plus the obvious that I'm not leadership material and my choice to be a visitor not an owner with responsibilities.

See, I don't see it as the end of the paso fino world. I see it as a person who has changed his focus and wants the ability to evolve into it. If it means he's tired of the forum, then certainly that is a good thing for him to end it. I'd rather lose the forum than lose another valued member in the paso community. If Charlie needs a break then let's support that and not our own selfish needs to suck the life out of him. Those of us who have gone through similar experiences have the greatest of empathy for Charlie right now. Therein lies the real message behind the joke. I doubt there are few that have not had their own resolve trialed to the point of quitting or had to step back to ask themselves how committed they really are. Some of us make it through that terrible time and some of us don't.

[Kerry W]

Candice...can you just give us the short answer to my question? None of the people I've asked, nor I, can make it all the way through that post, and remain conscious. To borrow a phrase from one person I asked to help me: "Too many words...not enough information." I'd love to take credit for it, but I'm not that kind of person.

Thanks! :D

[Cindy]

I made it throught the post just fine and did not in fact pass out and actually thought it was fairly well thought out and well written. But then again, I was not hoping that it said something else.

[Candice Burger]

:lol: :lol: You asked for an explanation and now go toad because I answered it? Make up your mind.

I did you didn't get that one either, but here it is again in case you missed it.

Here's one for Charlie

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/aaaaaaaaaaaaahaha/


It's terrible to see the humor when a guy is down and out. 'Tis life

Seriously, I bet Lori can relate.

But I do want you to read this one, because you seem to think Charlie is responsible for your education.

If you are that concerned about it, then why not act on it yourself. I'm sure if you approached Charlie with the idea of buying the forum and reestablishing it, he would support you. I would not be surprised if you asked to rent space on his site so that it could continue seamlessly, he may even consider it. He does have his other domain names up for sale including the one that had the newer forum on it. Why not buy the site yourself, purchase the forum content and with Charlie's assistance open it back up again? I'm not going to do it because of the time involved and the upfront costs. Plus the obvious that I'm not leadership material and my choice to be a visitor not an owner with responsibilities.

[CarolU]

You know, ya'll have lost me totally.

I think it is safe to say that EVERYONE is sorry Charlie has decided to take his site down.

Can't we leave it at that? :not worthy

[Kerry W]

Candice and Cindy...don't give up your day jobs...psychics you're not. You have no idea what I think, or what I expect.

Yes Carol, we can move along. I think we've seen all that we need to see.

[Red Ryder]

Guys, I don't have a dog in this fight so I'll only comment on what's been written and How I read it,

Seems to me Kerry was calling attention to the shut down

Then she was making statement that she believed some other factors were pushed hard enough so that Charlie said "enough, I'm done" and shut the sight down.

I personally believe this to be true also, but until Charlie confirms it[ which will never happen Charlie want go there] "What do I know???" It just remains a suspicion on my part and my lips are forever sealed whether my suspicions are ever comfirmed or not.

Charlie is way too much of a gentleman to ever "air dirty laundry" so I doubt anyone will ever know the "true, exact" reason or reasons.

Now don't you all think I know something you don't as I don't.

Good Luck Charlie!!!!

[Cindy]

You have it exactly right, Hollis. But Kerry seems to think she knows something that we don't and all I asked is that she explain that as I had/have no idea to what she is refering. She apparently does not want to explain her comments so I don't why the issue was even brought up. But I guess she has some reason for it and, as she just pointed out, I am not a mind reader so I guess I will never know THAT either. I do think it is a shame that just when Charlie's site seemed to be headed in the right direction, it is gone once again and Kerry seemed to have some knowledge as to why. But apparently that knowledge will not be shared with the rest of us. Will it return? Who knows. Maybe Kerry does, I don't know.

[Pasofinoguy]

pasopedigree.com forum is back up

[Pasofinoguy]

Oh guess its all locked but you can view it

[Cindy]

Thanks Adam. Just went over and read through all the posts from the seventh in the main forum and still have no idea to what Kerry is refering.

[Candice Burger]

It's been archived Adam and isn't active. Just as Charlie promised, he's posted all the data so that anyone can research the information that was gathered up all these years.

As far as I'm concerned Hollis, I'm not nearly as upset about this as Kerry seems to be. Charlie is a good person and I hope strong enough to let this pass so that he can enjoy his animals. I'm sure you know what it is like to have an ending and a beginning simultaneously.

Kerry seems upset because I made a bad joke out of it. I did and no apologies about it. It's a sad day and also a wonderful day. It's rare I don't see the humor in bad things. Death is kinda hard to laugh at but then I see how wonderful it is to be living. The fact that her accusations landed only in one spot indicates a level of comfort and security where perhaps it would not be received the same elsewhere. That is a tribute to Lori and her abilities.

As far as my response to her question to my bad form, I answered it. It was a reasonable question I thought and deserved an explanation. The fact that an intelligent woman then chooses to continue her emotional campaign, well, I can't help nor try to answer that one. Since she chooses to remain mythical about her reasoning even though legitimate questions have been asked for clarification only indicates a disingenuine intent.

[CarolU]

Sheesh...and it's not even March yet. :roll:

[Candice Burger]

Yeah and even the boys are playing with us women folk this time!

Somebody's having a grand winter!

[Pasofinoguy]

I enjoy playing with the women folk.

[Pasogirlz]

Somebody's having a grand winter!

I think it's me. :-? ;-)

[Candice Burger]

:lol: :lol: Adam, you stinker!!!

Hey me too, Lori!!! If I can stop from swearing, my pontification has gotten to the point no one reads it! Now I can say ANYTHING!! And the good news is, no one understands it! I'm ready to climb the state agency ladder! WAHOO!

Now if I could only conquer the !.,' I'm set for life.

[Cindy]

I am officially out of the dark!!!! WooHooo. Just had to ask the right person. And, believe it or not, the answer was a fairly simple one. :bad bannana

[Candice Burger]

WOW tenacious! :shock:

[Pasofinoguy]

Oh some dude named PROFESSIONAL,Ruben Liceaga.
Was very rude and seams like a troll. Wow Id been mad too. But kicking him out would have been better. I cant believed how he talked to charlie. What a %$#^# of $#*#

[Candice Burger]

Yes, he was, but it was more to that Adam. Reuben got in the cross-fire of a personal and public battle between myself and Karen Knolls (Rawlie) on the PPR forum.

There were some private emails zinging around too about what was going on. So there's allot more to this than Kerry knows or probably cares to share her knowledge about. I'm sure I was a good email fodder for many.

Unbeknownst to Reuben most BBs have policies about posting to other competitor sites. I see the reason for it; I also see no reason for it. I think that is a matter of a person's management style.

He and I had been trying out several chat rooms to start talking about PPRs. Both of us ran into problems on various sites. In his excitement to get the ball rolling he posted a "meet me" message in the PPR forum and invited me to contact him. That's all it took for the catfight to start. I'm ok not having that sort of thing posted. I'm not ok when I've witnessed others doing the same thing and supported instead of reprimanded.

Karen Knolls and I have a "history" that comes out on the BBs, making it entertaining for many. Most times we get so ridiculous it's too funny! Like two old women swinging weenie punches in slow motion that miss. I didin't take it seriously enough to stop me from posting but just enough to decide I was better off not visiting often.

Also unknown to most, I was in the middle of making some decisions about BBs in general. My mind isn't made up yet, but that episode sure clinched it for one. I had been corresponding to a few about such matters when Charlie decided he had had enough. Can't say I blame him.

Now it'd be awful egotistical for me to think that an insignificant catfight or even Reuben was to total cause of Charlie's decision. It may have been the last straw, but by themselves not worth a glance in the total scheme of things. Pasopedigree.com was coming back to being a great place to visit again. That had everything to do with Charlie. Karen and me??? One of us would have stopped eventually--quit sucking our thumbs and grown out of our diapers.

As for trolls, every BB's got 'em. Reuben's not a troll. He's joined here and contributed on the PPR forum and he's a member of another forum that I visit from time to time. People who know him personally vouch for him. I know his supporters personally and they are good, honest, sincere folk and highly respected in the PPR community.

We all have our days. Most have the god given sense to hit the "delete" button. And then there are those (me) who don't.

[Camilla]

wow. this is all very intense.
sorry it's in your backyard, Lori.
I want to know from Cindy what she has learned that was so simple, because it all sounds very complicated and stressful. Cough up Cindy.
:smile:

[Cindy]

I PMed you, Camilla. I do not feel the need to further this nonsense on Lori's forum.

[Monty]

Well, I for one am not affected by the site closing - :-?
I joined several years ago - and ran into a problem signing in - tried using another name and pass word - it still wouldn't let me in - CHarlie and I tried to figure it out and no go :roll:
As far as all the bickering - you all have your issues and the vast majority don't give a rat's rear end ! It gets tiresome to read through it all :!: JMHO :roll:

And you are right Carol - it IS not even March ! This is becoming a very long ,cold winter :surrender

[Terry Wallace]

Welll...hmmm... I think there are a LOT of people who "give a rats behind". Its not like this breed can afford to lose a BB....whenthere are so few already.

Its too bad it closed down... I have to agree with a lot of sentiments here that the PP.com BB did indeed seem to be better than before... when Charlie took it "back over"... it seemed headed in a better direction.

I will miss it...though I did not spend a lot of time over there.
JMO

[PasoJoy]

Here ya go...

Just wanted to let you know that our forum is now open on www.PasoFinoHorseDirectory.com/Forum/

Please come and enjoy our New Paso Fino Forum!

Rawlie

[Terry Wallace]

Sooo..I take it this is Karen Knoll's board now?
No More Charlie?