Gifthorses...

[Helene]

I was told about a free 11 year old buckskin gelding, registered....Told one of my friends...also told her I had NO information on him other than the owner's telephone number and adviced her to really check him out. She got him home last week-end (I didn't go with her to look at him), called me this morning, telling me she was "soo disappointed". The horse doesn't gait, has a very rough trot, will not stand still when being mounted....Asks me for help "how do I make him gait?"....I am not a trainer and have bought all of my horses, gaiting, or have paid dearly for a trainer to start them....

[cowboy ed]

if he doesnt gait now, he probably wont ever. let me guess, he is probably close to 15 hands too, right?

[CarolU]

C'mon Cindy. Here is your chance. Someone is actually asking for advice. Go for it.

[Pasogirlz]

What kind of equipment is she using and does she know much about riding a Paso?

[Cindy]

C'mon Cindy. Here is your chance. Someone is actually asking for advice. Go for it.
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Exactly what kind of advice would you like for me to give, Carol. And why would you highjack this thread just because you are pissed at me. Get a life and move on.

[CarolU]

Cindy, you're the first person to shoot holes in how someone else (like me) does something...but never manages to offer your own method(s), either as advice, OR as a target, if you will. You're the Training Forum Leader, yet I never see you help anyone. Here is someone actually asking for your help and opinion....unlike me in my post. Go ahead, help them.

[cowboy ed]

i will help. you can fix the "not standing to mount" with some some basic groundwork and lateral flexion excercises.

like i mentioned earlier, the horse probably cant gait. if i could evaluate him in hand and under saddle, i could tell for sure, but i bet money he just doesnt have it in him. so, no fix for that. get a different horse. :D

[Cindy]

Carol, the person posted this thread not to become a part of your little vendetta but to get answers. I have no answers to give as I have no idea antything about this horse. How can I give training advice about a horse that I have never seen and don't know if it is even capable of gaiting or if it even has four legs. If this person would like to send me a video of this horse or bring the horse to me for evaluation, I would then give my opnion about the horse. As it stands, I would be irresponsible to give any opinon as I do not have enough information to make an informed decision and it would be unfair not only to the person who posted but to the horse, the owner and the seller of the horse for me to give such an uninformed decision. Just because YOU feel the need to post in every thread your opinion whether you have all the facts or not does not necessitate the same response from everyone else. I post when I feel the need to post, not just because I want to hear myself talk.

Helene, I apologize for the highjacking of your thread and wish your friend luck with this horse. It sounds as if you gave the proper advice and it was not adheared to. I know the feeling well.

[Helene]

Actually, I wasn't asking for advice just yet. I was more frustrated and trying to vent. I have been trying to help this lady for a few years now to find her "dreamhorse". I had two Pasos for sale that would have fitted her perfectly. I even once kept a horse from another friend (who trusted me) at my place for two weeks --at no charge-- to try out. But all those horses cost money...not overly much, since I felt she would give them a good home, but more than the ones she has been buying....She has gone through a wonderful Peruvian (well gaited, but too slow), a young foxtrotter (too tall), another foxtrotter (too stubborn), another Peruvian (well gaited, tossed her a few times), the mare on loan (too slow). I let her try out one of my little mares...too nice and sweet (too boring, no excitement)....
Anyhow.... from what I know, the horse was owned by the same person for 5 years. He was ridden in a snaffle (which I told my friend to lose right away) and supposed to be very smooth. That gave me a "red flag" .... I looked at the horse before she rode him...He is about 14 hds. My friend was looking for a smaller Paso (Ed). He looks like a mustang. His papers... he came from the Flying M ranch in Montana. My friend rode him yesterday...and said he is very stiff (doesn't flex) and very rough. She owns another Paso already (another "deal") that didn't gait. She says the mare now does gait....I haven't watched her lately. I don't feel like I am responsible for her bad decisions, but she sure makes me feel like I ought to. This was was my last attempt in helping her, I think.

[CarolU]

Well lets see. You don't know Bruiser. You don't know anything about Parelli or the 'games' Bruiser already knows (like those that make him back away and respect space), or the Friendly game with a plastic bag, and what I was trying to do there, yet you felt immenently qualified to critisize me...even though I did not ask for a critic OR advise.

And in this thread, is someone asking YOU for advice on getting a gaited horse to gait...something you make your living doing and are 'the' recognized Forum Leader (aka EXPERT) to do, and you don't feel qualified to help her...even though she's asked you to?

My advice would be to have her friend send the horse to you. So, I'm honestly curious what you would tell her.

[Terri]

But all those horses cost money
OH, that is the problem. I've run into this before. You see Helene, she wants a well gaited, well trained paso for free. And it is YOUR fault that you haven't found one for her. You should ashamed. What kinda friend are you that you can't do that?

Didn't someone just post a thread about the pathetic advertisements on another board asking to buy nice horses for next to nothing. I don't want to fall back on the old adage that "you get what you pay for" because I am sure many people can point to rescues that have turned into wonderful horses. But in general you either pay top cash $ or lots of sweat equity (sometimes both) to get that really great horse. Maybe before you teach the horse to gait, you need to teach your friend that and she will be grateful for what help you do offer her.

[lalecl]

OK OK ladies move on please this is 2007 :lol: lets have a wonderful year

[Terry Wallace]

Tell her to send him to ME.... if he is 14HH and stout...
yes...there were indeed horses at FM that did not gait..please PM me his name if you know it....

I can tell you "how to fix him" until I see how he is.... ;-)

PS..is it "N" in Penrose? I may be down there to look at some saddles this weekend... Be glad to take a look see....