Question about stallions

[Dianne]

I was told a couple of years ago that women shouldnt handle stallions during "that time" as it was dangerous..is there any truth in this or an old wives tale??

[Cindy]

No.

[Brigitte]

Never saw any difference at all...Never heard of that though

[Monty]

Get REAL! That old garbage is still floating around??????????
Do you still wear long skirts and petticoats ,and never show your ankles ? Geezzzzzzzzzzzzzz - - - - - :roll:
We've come a long way Baby - or so I thought :!: :lol:

[motorgypsy]

A stallion with no manners is definitely dangerous if a lady friend is flirting with him regardless of the gender or species attempting to deal with him because he will be very territorial and protective of "his woman". But you don't breed a stallion with no manners if you have good sense.

Our stallion has been taught to go to the back of his paddock and stay there when we bring up a potential wife. If she's very interested then we take her into his paddock, leave, then signal to him that he can begin to court her. He not only learned his manners from us but from our boss mare and our other mares. We lost electric fence once and he got in with the mares and they really beat him up and when we got home he was in a section of the pasture by himself with this very sad look on his face and if he even looked in the direction of our mares, BG would pin her ears and kick out at him. He's a fantastic breeding stallion because he's so patient and the mares totally love him when they're in the mood for love because he sweet talks them, dances for them, shares his food with them, grooms them and WILL take no for an answer. A lot of guys could learn quite a bit from him! ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

[Terry Wallace]

Total BS....!

[appyday]

I am the only one that handles my horses...I have had 4 studs....and I have to do them daily....not matter what...I see no difference in them at all...but I dont trust a stallion period...(NO pun intended) I watch my back when picking the stall with him in there..just always careful...cant hurt..

[Hollis D. Gammon]

Will a stallion sense a difference in the "scent floating around" Absolutely

he may show it or he may not. ***IF*** he's well trained and most paso Stallions are it will NOT BE a problem what so ever. A simple tug to the chain will do greatly, and many people want even know why the stallion ever so slightly different and simply chalk it up to "other" normal stallion traits.

Do I have any scientific studies to back me up ***no.

I'm sure I'm going to get a huge "you don't know what you are talking about" from many on here. No problem but facts are facts. If as in Cindys and Terrys case they have handled stallions for years, they are so much in command that a stallion in their hands dare not be anything but a gentleman.

Do not dogs know the difference??? I'll let you answer that. Stallions do also. I've only hear of one stallion becoming slightly aggressive in all my years and it was a minor "bit of talking" it was not a paso, and the most ill mannered stallion around, all the owners doings

[PasoPerson38]

I have no doubt that stallions know that you smell diffrent but they are probebly just thinking "eww you stink today" they don't assosiate it with breeding or anything like that.
but this is just my opinion.[/quote]

[Abejita]

Human pheremones and horse pheremones are different. so when humans are 'fertile' (pre period) I doubt we excite the stallion.secondly..We bleed..mares dont..

[Hollis D. Gammon]

Once mares ovulate and go out of season, usually a day or 2 later there is every so slightly some dried blood that will form along the lips of the vulva.

How do I know??? in breeding a mare every other day and cleaning her for the next breeding **sometimes** you will see it. If you see it, no use to try and breed, she's through.

[Abejita]

Well I could be wrong..but that may be some blood from the breeding..small trauma to the ******l wall.Having worked for a vet and having been at the tail end (holding tails is educational ..) for hundreds of palps and US's ,I was taught that if you saw blood back there..please mention it to the vet or farm manager..

[Ginger]

Well, whatever it makes the stallion do, it isn't like Ace Ventura- he's not going to try and breed you, so you can forget czarship of Russia for now, Lol.

[Carol Nelson]

Hmmm...how many of you really breed stallions frequently? Hollis is absolutely right....yes, they do smell you and yes, it sometimes does have an effect on them, and yes, a stallion can and will try to mount a human (not necessarily because it is that time of the month, just simply because he decides he wants to). Do you let them? Absolutely not, but it can and does happen. As Hollis said, in the case of Cindy and Terry and most women trainers, the stallion knows better than to try...but again, it can and does happen.

[motorgypsy]

What we have read though is that certain predators are more likely to attack because of the smell of blood. I have heard of cautions about running alone in big cat or grizzly territory because of the possible attraction from the scent. But tampons pretty much eliminate that type of problem.

Some horses on the other hand might be a bit fearful of the smell of blood. Anyone have any experience with this??

[motorgypsy]

A young stallion is likely to try to mount about anything. A friend boarded a yearling colt and had fits with him trying to mount everyone and everything because noone taught him any manners. Another friend's TW stallion bred his round bale of hay several times as did another friend's mini stallion. They aren't real particular.

[Ginger]

Hmmm...how many of you really breed stallions frequently?

I don't now, but I used to (edit: add "assist in as opposed to singlehandedly"- that looked really jampackedian)(ASB, Arab, a few PF, and QH, to be specific), therefore making me qualified to respond. :razz:

[Hollis D. Gammon]

Abejita, I can tell you that what I said about the slight dried blood is fact, whether you have actually bred the mare or not. I've bred over 60 mares, and you tend to learn a few things in actually handling mares and stallions that's not in books. I'm not offended by or PO'd at you. Anyone can agree or disagree, I'm just speaking from my experience.

Had a less than knowledgeable person bring a mare to me this October that he swore was in rip roaring heat, when we did the prep I saw the dried blood and told him she was already out, no way he says, So I prep her, bring Traficante out and he's disinterested, urge him a bit he goes to the mares head/shoulder as normal, she wheels and starts kicking up a storm, Traficante walked away after kicking the air behind her [he's never actually kicked a mare] and would not even show the slightest interest.
He knew the score same as me.

Poni, me thinks you are qualified--lol

[GeorgeGuns]

IMO if a horse reacts its not to our hormones but the blood. Some horses just get upset with it. Keep clean, and it shouldn;t be a problem.

Actually, the worst reaction I ever got from Bri was one day this summer when I came home from a particularly hot and sweaty day full of trimming. I was not "that time" but smelled like a man! I stopped in to check on him, and he back up real freaking fast as if to say "Lady you STEENK, man, go shower then come back PLEASE!" I could not get any closer than about 2 feet and he was just plain disgusted. Too bad it wasn't on video, it would have made a good commercial for deodorant, lol.

[Barbwire]

. Some horses on the other hand might be a bit fearful of the smell of blood. Anyone have any experience with this??

When I was a kid, I used to ride by the neighbor's garage on a daily basis to get to the trails. One day my gelding just refused to go past the garage. He just kept blowing and snorting until I finally got him past it, at that point he was trembling & very agitated.

I found out later that the neighbor had "jacked" a deer and was butchering it in the garage so noone would see it. I think my horse smelled the blood, and that's what spooked him.

[Abejita]

that makes sense Barb..Horses are Prey animals ( a fact that is mentioned many times on here) so the smell of blood should scare them to some extent. As far as being mounted ..Why are not all the trainers out here jumping up and down saying..its a respect/dominance issue not a woman smell issue..

[Hollis D. Gammon]

I've never heard of a stallion trying to mount a woman, doesn't mean it hasn't happened I've just never heard of it. Change behavior just a tiny bit yes, mount no.

[Dianne]

Ok Thanks ...not sure i was really saying they might mount..but I think they become more agressive..specially towards other stallions? (Just an incedent that happened yesterday while trying to lead one stallion past anothers stall.) :shock:

[PattiB]

For thirty years I've been around stallions of all breeds and have heard this myth for years. Mostly to explain bad behavior of a stallion around women. I'm sure they smell the difference but it is not the same smell as a mare in heat so it shouldn't "turn them on". It was more likely the women were not seen as dominate and happened at other times also but it was a good excuse for bad behavior. I have seen stallions mount people, they were mostly men that weren't paying attention.

[Terry Wallace]

"A young stallion is likely to try and mount anything"???

Nope, not here... I think there is some confusion over bad manners, handling issues, or ???

Since so much is being assumed and attributed to the stallion being "aroused" by a human woman...I have to ask...just what was the "episode"?

I have had, and have stallions of all ages, all my life long. Not ever have I seen or experienced that from any age stallion. I currently have four.
From just born to over 20 years of age... never even had one offer anything, an action like that.

Even a young colt may jump up on his mama during a nine day heat...seen that many times. BUT, a stallion trying to mount a "cycling" woman.... ? What was he really trying to do? Get at another horse? Was he being bred, expecting to be bred, then put away frustrated?
Just trying to get a clear picture...... what exactly was the behavior? Were you between him and another horse?

[Cindy]

Maybe they just don't like you, Terry, LMAO. Just kidding. This is nonsense. Yes, Carol, I have handled breeding stallions quite a bit as well as non breeding stallions, colts, older stallions, stallions that would LIKE to be breeding stallions, there is no change in them at any time of the month. And mares don't bleed unless they have been damaged while breeding or foaling.

[Hollis D. Gammon]

Cindy, we'll just have to agree to disagree and go forward, on both the stallion slight different reaction and on the slight blood.

[Carol Nelson]

Just to clarify my original post...I said they will try to mount a human...male or female...not just at that time of the month...yes, I did see it myself, and it was a male handler and there was a mare there. Like, I believe it was motorgypsy said, young stallions in the heat of the moment will try to mount anything...and of course, no, it is behavior that is not allowed and needs to be dealt with swiftly and sharply.

And I will stick with my original statement that yes, they do smell you...and it seems to have a bit of interest for them but I did not say that the stallion will try to mount a woman at that time for the intent of breeding her.

As for the blood that Hollis has seen, I've never noticed it, but I can't say with certainty that it does not exist.

[motorgypsy]

Terry the colts I've seen do this have been at a friend's boarding barn where we "lived" for a couple of years. She has a gorgeous thoroughbred stallion who is used quite often and a couple of his sons who boarded in a paddock next to her fence would mount anything and anyone as youngsters. Of course it was a lack of handling/training problem. She boarded the TW stallion, a three year old, and he had an audience anytime he got a new round bale.

We handled a paso fino stallion, just a three year old, for hand breeding though and he was an absolute angel. He's our Arwen's daddy by the way.

Our foals of both genders mount their moms but the time in mom's cycle is not a factor. They just do it in play.

Our other boarding barn raises minis and we help with breeding them also and again here one mini stallion is very indescriminate. The rest behave because their owner insists on good behavior. A two year old pony colt two farms down from the boarding barn tried to breed his owner. He got whacked the next week by the way.

UGA absolutely raved about Brilliants good manners as a yearling colt and said most of the yearling colts they deal with are terrible. But again our boss mare and his mom and the other mares don't put up with disprespect.

It's like dogs - most male dogs don't try to breed your leg but it's common enough for people to make jokes about it.

We've bred our own stallion and assisted our friends with breeding (Arab, paso fino, mini, thoroughbred, TW) for 50 years and seen the best behaved, the sweetest and some very nasty stallions and colts.

And no we don't trust any horse totally - they're just too big and don't understand our fragility.

[Terry Wallace]

Handling issue/ training issue..not knowing or being corrected to know any better...that is what I'm talking about.....

Inexperienced horse "in the heat of the moment" is not human wman cycle related....

Cindy.....of course they don't "like" me! I'm the pne who says NO..you will not behave in such a manner....

[motorgypsy]

HEHE - we want to thank Hollis for the kicking in the shins idea. When we got SloughP nothing at all would make him move. He was in your face at feeding and a real menace. You could whack him all you wanted, poke him, elbow him, shove him, smack him with PVC and he thought you were playing. Then we remembered Hollis talking about a swift kick in the shins for misbehavior. Well it was miraculous. SloughP says "WHATTTT?? OH - YOU WANT ME TO MOVE!!!! OK!!!" Now he moves with the most gentle touch and waits patiently for his food. What a pain he was though!! Of course he always got carrot when he did move and he does love his carrots! Bribery is a good thing but you gotta get across to them what you want them to do first.

[diswick]

MGs, I turned my Arabian stallion out with a really alpha 13.3 pony mare when he decided the rear of any horse was for him. Boy did he get a lickin' and he learned really fast that the mare decides the time. He became a really polite suitor to the mares I put in the field for him to breed.

I believe that any stallion should be pasture bred for a season just to learn "the Rules" And the mare makes "the Rules"

And I heard that old wives tale for years in the Ohio hills I grew up in and never ever saw a difference in how a stallion acted toward me. I just never ever have the ability to smell like a mare who is horsin'. After all I am a human, my smell is definately different than a horse.

[Ginger]

it was a male handler and there was a mare there.

Sorry, it's the Mr. Wizard in me :roll: ... that wasn't a conclusive postulate because there were two variables. Would the stallion have mounted without the mare there, etc.

8-)

Strange things DO happen- but that's why they're called "strange"- it ISN'T the norm, unless you've been on one of THOSE websites :shock: LOL.

[Abejita]

THATS IT!!! It was started by those idiots who have fantasies Stallion on...well I dont NEED to say it...

[PasoPerson38]

Yes stallions sure will mount humans ( not to breed though, it is more of a dominance thing or even playing).
A woman I used to know had a colt and she used to let him jump on her shoulder...well he eventually just stopped doing it on his own when he got larger. And then came the day that she took him to a show....like around mares. He got excited and jumped on her shoulder like old times...but this time he took her to the ground beauce of his size. But if she would of stopped it at the beginging it never would of happened.
So yes stallions will "mount" people, but more of a dominance or playing state.

[motorgypsy]

Yes - for breeding they prefer roundbales! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Joy in MT]

Hi all,

Just a few comments on this subject. It is very true that in grizzley country, (or any bear or big cat area for that matter) women are absolutely urged to use caution when in their menses. Its just good common sense. As someone said, these are prey animals, and are ever on the prowl for game... whether dead or alive.

As for stallions, I believe like others have said, it is an absolute dominance/ training issue. They will do whatever they're allowed to get away with. I don't believe being male or female has a thing to do with it.

This in turn raises an interesting question...

Is anyone aware of the case in Washington state this fall where someone was actually operating a farm where people could go to 'have sex with animals'? Namely, horses. A man died there after being mounted by a stallion. He died of a perforated colon.

Could the owner actually have trained this animal to mount humans? Absolutely frightening to think what its behavior is like. Now, the state of Washington is trying to pass some law against this type of thing, but, until they do, the farm is still operating "legally".

Because we raise mules along with our Pasos, someone "thoughtfully" sent me a short video of a man who was literally chased down by an aroused jack donkey. The man was misguided enough to stop to relieve himself in the donkey's pasture. Not a pretty sight I can tell you. In fact, it was one of the scariest things I've ever seen.

I will not post a link here, but if anyone wants to see just how aggressive an equine can become with a human, PM me with an email address and I will forward it to you. I caution you strongly that it is very graphic and NOT for younger viewers!

Joy

[Barbwire]

Joy, someone sent that to me once, and I agree, it is very alarming. Quite nasty stuff, really.

[halfmoonfino]

Although it might be PURELY coincidence, I was mounted by a Welch Pony stud colt when I was 12 years old and it was...that time of month. True story! I was in the pasture giving him some grain, and when I turned around to leave, he came up behind me, put a leg on each side of my waist, and held on. It scared me and I was able to push him off since he was very small, but I almost got really hurt! We think it was a dominance thing because I was holding grain and he wanted it, but it was odd that I was experiencing that time when it happened. At least he was cryptorchid and didn't actually shove his thingy out! :roll: IT was a weird thing...[/i]