Bandolero Royal

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I would like to know more about this stallion Bandolero Royal (Marichal x Endora) PFHA #1327, DOB 3/12/07

*Does anyone know about his dam

*Is this horse PRPF

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http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/denissecancel/BandoleroRoyal.jpg
Pic scanned from Wendy Springs Book, Paso Fino II

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:crazy bannana
Yeah baby, my first pic on this forum.......

I thought I would never get it... :oops:

[pnalley]

You go!

Beautiful horse. I remeber him vaguely.

[Terry Wallace]

What happened to the pic?

[LynnG]

Bandolero's dam Endora was Colombian, and imported by Meridian Meadows. Endora produced several other champions also. She was black/bay... white stockings with an irregular shaped star, strip. I saw her when she was at Rancho del Rosa in Tryon, NC in late 70's.

[Terry Wallace]

O.K...Now I see the pic..I have a photo of Endora on my home computer...can post it later.....please PM to remind me!

I have other pics of Bandolero also.

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I wasn't sure about Endora, I had conflicting pedigrees from different sources.
Thanks

[Candice Burger]

I had the same Denisse and PFHA didn't help linking her to PPR horses but if you look are her production record, she produced many "que tal" horses before Bandolero and the Que Tal suffix belonged Meridian Meadows which did not use any PPR breeding stock. Everything they produced with the "que tal" was pure Colombian.

Does anyone have her correct pedigree? I suspect what happened was when Nino showed up, he was automatically linked to the son Dulce Sueno produced. There's a good number of horses in PFHA this happened to. It was not the doing of any owner or other registration error.

[LynnG]

pasoregsitry has Endora's sire as the PPR line Nino, which is wrong there

Her other offspring were:
Ala
Birreta que tal
Encantadora que tal
Adriana que tal
Huevo que tal
Bandolero Royal
Endorita del Rosa
Adora del Rosa

Daneen Hitchcok owned Encantadora que tal (by Mahoma). Huevo que tal (a bay stallion by Criol que tal) went and stud at stud in Colorado back in 1980's. I saw and got to ride Huevo when he was at Meridian Meadows in FL. I would have liked to brought him home to NC.
Ala and Adrianna que tal were National Champions I believe back in 1970's.

[Linda Y]

Endora was last owned by Stan Snider. She was Colombian.
I also have pictures of Bandit that I took while he was with the Sniders. Stan recently died by the way.

[pasorider]

Bandolero Royal is my babys great-grandfather. The father is a Pinto paso, but my baby looks more like Bandolero. He is black with 2 white socks also.

[Terry Wallace]

This is Endora.... photo removed by request.

[Terry Wallace]

An old newspaper clipping of Marichal....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/twobarwpaso/MarichalElsF.jpg

[Terry Wallace]

An old ad for Bandolero.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/twobarwpaso/BandoleroRoyalePHOBAnews1979.jpg

[Linda Y]

The two photos in the last ad for Bandolero are ones that I took. I wish I knew what happened to the proof sheet I had for Marichal. Way, WAY back I did a sculpture using him as a 'guide', and Tiovivo sent me a proof sheet to go by for the gait. He was a gorgeous horse.
There are several of his get owned by people on this board. I have a great granddaugher and a son.

[LynnG]

Terry, I am the photographer of that pic of Endora.

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That mare Endora sure has a lot of white for a Col., those hind stockings are quite high and that blaze covers the muzzle.
I like it. She looks small too.

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[Candice Burger]

Well Bandolero was one gaiting machine and he produced it. I've seen him put gait into any mare he was bred to.

I've got an OLD photo of Bandolero at the Montgomery show with Rufino riding him holding up his trophy doing a victory lap in an andadura! All four feet off the ground!

Bandolero was small and Rufino would jack up his long legs on short stirrups so it wouldn't look so odd. Well, it still looked odd trying to wrap up a bunch of leg into those stirrups.

Bandolero had one of the most awesome largos I've ever seen. Ya'll haven't SEEN a largo race like we used to see in our performance classes. Bandolero and Cohete que tal were little son of guns but man they could burn up an arena! Cohete could get rough but Bandolero was clock work motion even when he was pushed too much and got pacey.

Bandolero and a few others are the reason we have the performance rules of today. Everyone wanted to beat Bandolero and so tried to crank up the speed to "catch" him during the largo portion of the class. It was like watching a speed racking class. Horses began breaking the gait but the riders wouldn't pull them up. So it got real messy looking.

Now we don't have such a thing like largo like we did then----excepting, of course, the pueblo classes I've seen in Puerto Rico. Now they have a largo! Collected too!

[Terry Wallace]

Now Candice....

You cannot BAIT us like that and then NOT post the photo!

Email it to me and I'll sure post it for you if you like....

[Candice Burger]

:razz: :razz:

jeje! Terry it's a print either from a negative or slide--can't remember and it's packed away! I'll probably won't ever see my boxes any time soon. :bolts

[Marcy]

Does anyone know if Bandolero is still alive? He would be about 32 if he is. I owned one of his daughters, the love of my life. She looked almost like him. She did have a problem that was passed down but I am certain that it was NOT passed down through Bandolero. I am certain that the problem my mare had was passed down through her dam.
I was told by someone who knew Stan very well that Stan really loved Bandolero and that Bandolero loved Stan. My mare would try so hard to talk to me. I also knew a Volare son and everyone that knew him fell in love with him. That line has always been my favorite line.

[Carol Nelson]

What was the problem, may I ask?

[Pasogirlz]

Hi Marcy http://bestsmileys.com/welcome/1.gif

[Linda Y]

Does anyone know if Bandolero is still alive? He would be about 32 if he is. I owned one of his daughters, the love of my life. She looked almost like him. She did have a problem that was passed down but I am certain that it was NOT passed down through Bandolero. I am certain that the problem my mare had was passed down through her dam.
I was told by someone who knew Stan very well that Stan really loved Bandolero and that Bandolero loved Stan. My mare would try so hard to talk to me. I also knew a Volare son and everyone that knew him fell in love with him. That line has always been my favorite line.

Bandolero died several years ago. Stan had him until he died. The only thing that Bandolero may have passed down was a tendancy to be hard headed and sometimes not so nice. I never saw any genetic defect on any of his get, and I have had 3...still have 2 of those.
My favorite line is Volare, too. Two of mine are Volare related...one a grandson and one a great great granddaughter.

[Linda Y]

Well Bandolero was one gaiting machine and he produced it. I've seen him put gait into any mare he was bred to.

I've got an OLD photo of Bandolero at the Montgomery show with Rufino riding him holding up his trophy doing a victory lap in an andadura! All four feet off the ground!

Bandolero was small and Rufino would jack up his long legs on short stirrups so it wouldn't look so odd. Well, it still looked odd trying to wrap up a bunch of leg into those stirrups.

Bandolero had one of the most awesome largos I've ever seen. Ya'll haven't SEEN a largo race like we used to see in our performance classes. Bandolero and Cohete que tal were little son of guns but man they could burn up an arena! Cohete could get rough but Bandolero was clock work motion even when he was pushed too much and got pacey.

Bandolero and a few others are the reason we have the performance rules of today. Everyone wanted to beat Bandolero and so tried to crank up the speed to "catch" him during the largo portion of the class. It was like watching a speed racking class. Horses began breaking the gait but the riders wouldn't pull them up. So it got real messy looking.

Now we don't have such a thing like largo like we did then----excepting, of course, the pueblo classes I've seen in Puerto Rico. Now they have a largo! Collected too!

I have a similar picture of Bandit and Rufino. If I can, I will try to find it and post it here. It is too bad we don't have the largo horses now like back then. They would raise the hair on your neck and bring tears to your eyes! Bandit was a phenomenon in largo, like Capuchino was in fino. An awesome, awesome horse. Could he compete today? You betcha! He had the most incredible show walk and corto, too...a complete package besides being a beautiful horse.

[Marcy]

Carol,
The problem that my mare had was DSLD. She also had a hip problem that may have been DSLD related. The big difference in her and some other DSLD horses with hip problems is that the hip problem showed up in her first. The DSLD showed up during her 7th year. This mare was bred when I bought her and the filly that was born at my place also had a hip problem that showed up when she turned two years old and the DSLD showed up during her 7th year also. I was the mare's 5th owner. There was a threatened lawsuit involving the mare's 3rd owner and the mare's first offspring which also had a hip problem show up at 2 years old. I was told that the 2nd offspring the mare had for her 4th owner also had a hip problem show up at 2 years. I would be willing to bet that both of those first two offspring also had DSLD show up during their 7th year.
I kept my mare and the daughter she had for me for about 10 years but never bred either one of them. I can't put into words the love that I had for them. I had a vet euthanise them both after they both foundered and they are both buried on the farm that I owned at that time. I believe the founder was due to fescue grass and wasn't related to the DSLD even though many DSLD horses founder. My pasture was only about 20% fescue but from what I have found out in my research on the stuff, that was enough to do it. Fescue is toxic to all grazing animals, even goats. I've even read a report done by, if I remember right, the U. of Miss. saying that fescue is even toxic to insects. I lived in Florida for several years with my horses and didn't have fescue there. I bought 95 acres in Kentucky and moved my horses here thinking that the firmer ground would help them. They had been here almost 5 years when they foundered. It is only certain years that fescue seems to be more deadly, usually after a mild winter.
I would like to repeat though what I said in my first post, I am certain that the DSLD was NOT passed down through Bandolero. I have spent months researching this and am certain that it was passed down through the dam.
I learned from this experience just how important the mare is when it comes to breeding stock.