Speech time again

[Pasogirlz]

With the 2nd Anniversary of APF quickly arriving (April 23rd), I felt it was time again to reiterate some of the foundation goals and ideas for this website. I'm also going to cover some things that are happening that I am not too pleased with.

First and foremost, members should feel comfortable to post photos (which we frequently demand) and ask for advise without feeling afraid of ridicule. Lately, even I am leary of what I post here, so that leads me to believe that others are feeling this even more than I. I don't like that, and I want it to stop, plain and simple, right here today. http://bestsmileys.com/whipping/1.gif

Second, I have less problems with the newbies, than I do w/the veteran members who have issues that lie beneath the surface with other members. This is totally unacceptable. I'm not here to baby sit you all, and quite frankly, I don't have that kind of time (or patience). So keep it off the board. I don't want to see any caddy remarks that might fly unnoticed to those not in the "know". I don't want to see any personal attacks like we have seen recently. I don't want to see any baiting or fishing for a fight. You might think no one sees your intentions, but believe me...I do, Pasomom does, and many other members do to, and I'm tired of it.

I want to remind you all that you are not the only ones reading this forum. There are MANY lurkers out there who are not registered. They are reading and watching us. Watching us have fun and watching us fight. What do you want ppl think about this forum? What do you want ppl to think about YOU? Believe me, these ppl are forming opinions based on our online personalities, which in many cases, does not truly represent our real self, or how we really feel about things. Are you an online know it all? An online bully? Or maybe a class clown? Maybe you are one of the members who likes to fly under the radar and keeps your comments to a minimum. My point is, we all have something to bring to this board, but we must careful with our tones or we might end up with a label that is not what we had in mind and does not show our true "heart".

I think I can safely say that I respect each and every one of you, but I can also say that I probably disagree w/each of you on at least one topic (some of you more :lol: ). Does that mean that I don't like you? Or don't respect you or your ideas? Or that we can't agree on other topics? No way. It just means we don't agree about particular things. But we move forward, and we do not dwell on those things.

Assuming....you know what they say about that don't ya? I've noticed an awful lot of it going around lately. We assume we know the intentions behind a comment, we assume we know the best training equipment to use, we assume a person is obnoxious based on their posts, we assume it's ok to treat each other badly b/c someone else did it. It needs to stop. There is always more than one side to the story, there is always more than point of view on a topic, and their is more than one way to train a horse and get the same results.

We have had some really great topics, as well as some I'm not so proud of. I'd like to have more of the great ones, so let's all think about that when we are in the midst of a potentially sour one.....and each do our part to change the tone. Sometimes...that might mean NO COMMENT at all is best. It might mean you should use the PM feature. It might mean you reword your post 10 times. But since I have to sit here and write eloquent speeches on Sunday morning....I think you all can put in the effort to make this place the best it can be. Some times you might have to sacrifice your pride in "always being right", or you might have to even say you were *gasp* wrong. But I guarantee you will get more respect this way. What if I was the type of Admin that always had to right? Or could never stand to be told she was wrong? This place would not be the same now would it? I am wrong sometimes. There is nothing wrong with that. We are all human. Making mistakes is how we learn sometimes, so let's take our mistakes and learn from them now. Also, if you are the one pointing out the mistakes....have a little mercy....be gentle. I'm sure when the day comes and it is YOU being corrected, you will want the same respect.

Now I know we have been having a ball in some areas lately, but I must bring up the NO CUSSING rule again. Some of you like to slip every now and then. The next thing you know a few other folks are doing it too. And then it comes time for me to say something.....so I'm saying something. :twisted: I don't have time to be privately PMing you all over the shiit I see. So I'm issuing the blanket warning to you now....don't make me send you a PM later, b/c then I'm just going to be pisssed that you directly disrespected my wishes. No need to say anything now....just don't do it. Agreed.

Now lets talk about pix. Please only post photos that you took, have permission to post, or in some cases if you are helping someone who cannot post pix. I've had several ppl msg me in the last few months about different instances where others posted a photo they took w/o permission. I have probably been guilty of this myself. :oops: For some of us, it's not a big deal, but for others, it is. So lets be respectful about it. Just a little reminder. ;-)

You each know that I am pretty easy to reach, so feel free to shoot me a PM or email anytime you have concerns and I'll do my best to address things as they come up.

Now...on a brighter note, I will restarting the Stallion Service contest soon w/some new stallions. I had some issues w/the last stallions in the contest, so I am forced to pull them and start again. But we will move forward.
Also, I might have an exciting new contest just for the APF anniversary...I just have to decide how the contest should be run to be fair. So stay tuned for more info. You won't wanna miss it.

[Laura S]

Very nicely said Lori. You are a great admin, as you are very frank and up front, and don't pass on judgements. I appreciate that and I pledge to be good! :D

Also, just wanted to say that Carlos Tobons article in the new PFHW about differing cultures and differing opinions was very good....it really makes you think, and hopefully keep an open mind.

[Pasogirlz]

Thanks Laura. :hug
I haven't seen the article yet, but I look forward to it. 8-)

[Barbwire]

Very well written and thought out, Lori...but did ya have to cuss so much? :rofl

Seriously, thanks for taking the time to write that. I think everything you said, needed to be said. You have a heck of a board here, keep up the good work. :hug

[jodiTowne]

I agree....very well put. I have noticed over time that I am learning less from this board and posting on others to learn. I don't want to, but it gets to the point that I'm almost afraid to ask anything. I don't care what people think....but why post when you don't get an answer? If I was a newbie (and to some degree I am as I have ALOT to learn about horse care/pasos even after owning one or two for 10 plus years) I would want a forum where I could feel free to ask questions and post without worrying about having the right equipment, my horse in perfect gait, etc., etc.

Anyway....thanks for this forum!!

[Pasogirlz]

I agree....very well put. I have noticed over time that I am learning less from this board and posting on others to learn. I don't want to, but it gets to the point that I'm almost afraid to ask anything. I don't care what people think....but why post when you don't get an answer? If I was a newbie (and to some degree I am as I have ALOT to learn about horse care/pasos even after owning one or two for 10 plus years) I would want a forum where I could feel free to ask questions and post without worrying about having the right equipment, my horse in perfect gait, etc., etc.

Anyway....thanks for this forum!!

Very well put and a perfect example of why it has to shape up around here. ;-) I know what greatness we are capable of...so I expect nothing less. 8-) Thanks for speaking up Jodi.

[Terri]

Thank you Lori, that was very well said. This is a wonderful forum and I feel I have formed friendships here. It is also sometimes easy to get carried away. But the good thing about real friends is that we forgive each other when we mess up. :hug I appreciate all of you.

[appyday]

If you were mad at me you should have sent me a PM.. :-?

[Pasogirlz]

If you were mad at me you should have sent me a PM.. :-?

What did I just say about ASSUMING? For once you are innocent. :twisted: ;-) Keep up the good work. It took me long enough to get ya trained.

And for those ASSUMING that this topic did not apply to you.....think about it again. ;-)

[appyday]

If you were mad at me you should have sent me a PM.. :-?

What did I just say about ASSUMING? For once you are innocent. :twisted: ;-) Keep up the good work. It took me long enough to get ya trained.

:angel

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Very well said....... HONORABLE LORI!!!! :not worthy

And Happy aniverssary to APF and everyone involved for making this FORUM what it is................


CONGRATULATIONS :smilieparty

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

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By the way...... I am running out of rocks I NEED YOUR RED GUY

[Pasogirlz]

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By the way...... I am running out of rocks I NEED YOUR RED GUY

Dare I give Caliber the smiley link?
http://bestsmileys.com/pageindex.htm

Why do I feel the bandwidth useage is about to triple? :shock: :lol:

[LynnG]

Very nicely said Lori and to the point on issues. Thank you.

Also, any member's posts are their own opinion usually from their personal experiences and should be respected.
"In my opinion, this is what I think or would do..."

And have you ever noticed how hearsay can take on a life of its own ... and can go all sorts of places! yikes!!

:crazy bannana

Have a great Sunday!
////and please stop raining in central NC.

[Serendipity]

I do have to also say well said.
And I to feel there are some questions I would love to ask but believe I'd be drug through the ringer on, by some
perhaps that will change and this will be a board where we all feel safe to ask anything and post our happy moment pix with out retaliation :D

[Camilla]

Dearest Lori,
thanks for all you do and provide and toil over here.
You are a very good soul. Sorry for the grief you get for your troubles and thanks for persevering all the same.
I get tired just thinking of your job(s)... thanks again.

[Pasogirlz]

Thanks for speaking up Nicole. I hope others do as well. Perhaps it will make everyone stop and think about what they say and how it could be hurtful or misunderstood before they post. I know that no one here would intentially hurt their friends, or make someone they don't even know feel intimidated to post.

[Pasolady]

Thanks for all you do for us, above all for your kind patience.

I take everything you said to heart and will try my best to be a good poster. I love this forum and have stayed away too long out of fear, fear of the trolls and fear that I might lam-blast someone when it is not what I was brought up to do.

I guess it is the passion for the breed that makes us so confrontational sometimes. That is why I have tried to be more of a listener and less of a poster, shucks I do love to post occasionally, even a picture when I can figure out how to do it.

This is a great place to visit, to learn, to make new friends, to swap tales of the extraordinary, and to share a mutual love of the Paso Fino Horse. Thanks again!

[Privatetreaty]

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[Privatetreaty]

I'm in posting Heaven


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Thank you, Ms. Lori :not worthy
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you


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[Kerry W]

Happy Early Anniversary to apf.com! Remember when the migration took place? How violated everyone felt? Seems like more than just two years ago. I remember when I first registered (before pf.com went down in flames)...there was a much different feel than there is today...I miss that sometimes.

[Pasogirlz]

Happy Early Anniversary to apf.com! Remember when the migration took place? How violated everyone felt? Seems like more than just two years ago. I remember when I first registered (before pf.com went down in flames)...there was a much different feel than there is today...I miss that sometimes.

It does seem like it has been longer than two years. :shock:
And I remember when you registered too...you are surely a charter member Kerry. :hug And I know just what you mean about a different feel. However, we have grown so much, and had a few growing pains here and there. But over all, I see my long term goal happening a bit more every day. We are gaining more International members, we are becoming a respected source of Paso-Info, and we are one of the funnest places on web. We must keep up the good work, and refrain from less than desirable behaviours. But I know we can keep up the good work. We all have the same general goal, and that is to positively promote the Paso Fino horse.

[Pinto Paso]

I'm in posting Heaven.

me ------- you
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[Privatetreaty]

I'm in posting Heaven.

me ------- you
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Look Lori, look . . .

Pinto Babe is misbehaving


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Oh and for the record,
I don't use bad words (only when I lock myself in the bathroom), it was Caliber.


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[Pasogirlz]

Don't worry Cousin Helen, I got my eye on Pinto.....
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;-)

[Pinto Paso]

tattle tale.....http://bestsmileys.com/talking/3.gif

[Pinto Paso]

oh - OK, so that's how it's going to be

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

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[Privatetreaty]

Oh Ms. Lori, there you are.
I just want to say thank you so much, for the lovely smiley link.

When Barbwire wanted her birthday "revisited",
I worked for hours trying to prepare something special for her.

I signed by for one of those smiley downloads and I couldn't get it to work.
You've completely rocked my world with these little critters.
See, it's the little things that make me happy.

Thank you again,
Cousin Helen



P.S. We've gonna hook-up and go to Caliber's place, but we're not taking Pinto Babe.


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[Privatetreaty]

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ha ha ha ha


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ha ha ha ha


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[Pinto Paso]

:shock: I saw that!!!
You have NO idea how much I like to party
You will never know what you're missing, but that's OK - fine - OK - I get it - OK.....

[Pasogirlz]

Oh Ms. Lori, there you are.
I just want to say thank you so much, for the lovely smiley link.

When Barbwire wanted her birthday "revisited",
I worked for hours trying to prepare something special for her.

I signed by for one of those smiley downloads and I couldn't get it to work.
You've completely rocked my world with these little critters.
See, it's the little things that make me happy.

Thank you again,
Cousin Helen



P.S. We've gonna hook-up and go to Caliber's place, but we're not taking Pinto Babe.


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Well, now I'm gonna tattle on Ms. Barbwire. If she were really your friend, she would have hooked you up w/the smilies a long time ago. She has about 3 or 4 more awesome places to get them. I have them saved on my work computer. Remind me and I'll send them to ya.

And you are darn right we are going to Calibers together. I am super jealous I missed the dinner party Friday night. ;-) But we missed YOU at the Grand Prix.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Oh Private treaty :hitting ONE DAY SOON I will get this right.

[Privatetreaty]

Well, now I'm gonna tattle on Ms. Barbwire. If she were really your friend, she would have hooked you up w/the smilies a long time ago. She has about 3 or 4 more awesome places to get them. I have them saved on my work computer. Remind me and I'll send them to ya.

And you are darn right we are going to Calibers together. I am super jealous I missed the dinner party Friday night. ;-) But we missed YOU at the Grand Prix.




Oh, I see Felix never told you what happened.

I went and the parking was so far away, that I would have made it to the Santa Madre table probably around midnight.

He later told me about the "parking trick" (which I will not disclose here under any circumstances).

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[Privatetreaty]

Oh Private treaty :hitting ONE DAY SOON I will get this right.


Oh Felix, there you are.
Anything wrong, little darling?



























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[pnalley]

WhooHoo!

We're having a birthday!

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[Red Ryder]

Lori, I know you try and want everyone to be good posters. If personally I have caused you grief I'm sorry, and If I do again a PM will be fine.

Many threads that start are hijacked just like this thread has been, and the complete meaning goes out the window and something else takes over.

It's sad that we grown people act as we do, then we expect our young folks to be better. It's like "do as I say not as I do"

The safe way is just don't post, and so many have taken that approach, and either don't post at all anymore or post sparingly. Sadly we loose a lot of good knowledge.

[TrueStepPaso]

Nice, Lori. Ppl don't realize that you are "in the know", and you catch everything. ;-)

[Pasogirlz]

Lori, I know you try and want everyone to be good posters. If personally I have caused you grief I'm sorry, and If I do again a PM will be fine.

Many threads that start are hijacked just like this thread has been, and the complete meaning goes out the window and something else takes over.

It's sad that we grown people act as we do, then we expect our young folks to be better. It's like "do as I say not as I do"

The safe way is just don't post, and so many have taken that approach, and either don't post at all anymore or post sparingly. Sadly we loose a lot of good knowledge.

I know everyone cannot be Polyanna all the time, although Mel does a great impression. ;-) That is fine, but we must respect each other and their points of view.

I don't mind a little spuratic fun, otherwise things would feel too restrained and that is not my goal either. But yes, some posts do take on a life of their own. And sometimes, it's the laughter that changes the tone of the post back to something lighter. And sometimes we all need to be lightened up. ;-)

[ErinC]

like I said 2 days ago, but its gone!
I think you do a GREAT job never sell yourself short.
you ROCK!
and Yes I know you catch everything! ;-)

THANKS so much!
:hug

[Monty]

Thanks Lori - well said :!: We all need a reminder once in a while .
It seems people get a tad testy this time of year - more so than the rest of the year ! Can't ride because of weather and mud ! It seems like summer will never get here :roll:
We do all have different experiences and ways to deal with them - but we should only post when it will be useful - not nasty .
I have wandered away at times because there seem very little discussions about horses :confused
Keep up the good work :hug

[CarolU]

You know...this IS A TWO WAY STREET...

Or, apparently not. Againk the rules only apply to certain people.

http://www.americanpasofinos.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13302

It certainly explains why people with natural horsemenship questions are afraid to post on this forum.

[Cindy]

Carol, would you care to elaborate on your last post? You have posted a link that is discussing the one rein stop and alternatives to the one rein stop. The thread has stayed on point, opinions have been given, noone has gotten upset or even disagreed with anyone else. It seems to me to be a very logical discussion about horse training methods that is located in the training forum. This looks to me very much like the discussions we are SUPPOSED to be having so I am not quite sure where you are coming from. Is it that you disagree with something that has been said there? Sorry, I just don't get it. I could think of quite a number of good examples of bad threads. That's not one of them.

[CarolU]

Second, I have less problems with the newbies, than I do w/the veteran members who have issues that lie beneath the surface with other members. This is totally unacceptable. I'm not here to baby sit you all, and quite frankly, I don't have that kind of time (or patience). So keep it off the board. I don't want to see any caddy remarks that might fly unnoticed to those not in the "know". I don't want to see any personal attacks like we have seen recently. I don't want to see any baiting or fishing for a fight. You might think no one sees your intentions, but believe me...I do, Pasomom does, and many other members do to, and I'm tired of it.


Assuming....you know what they say about that don't ya? I've noticed an awful lot of it going around lately. We assume we know the intentions behind a comment, we assume we know the best training equipment to use, we assume a person is obnoxious based on their posts, we assume it's ok to treat each other badly b/c someone else did it. It needs to stop. There is always more than one side to the story, there is always more than point of view on a topic, and their is more than one way to train a horse and get the same results.

Cindy...since the one-rein stop has already been BASHED royally on here...for page after page...by yourself and the neighbor/trainer of the person who posted the above thread, don't you feel it is ASSUMable that there is a hidden agenda? A DIG at people who use the one rein stop? Or do you really think we are that stupid?

Like I said...it should be a two way street to respect each other's methods. But it isn't. I'll continue to get natural training questions in PM because people are afraid of you all.

[Brigitte]

I think this is what Lori means about using the PM feature.

[Cindy]

Carol, you just quoted Lori saying that ASSUMING is one of the things that causes the problems. No, I did not assume anything. I do not assume things. I also did not assume that when you questioned the tack on Greg's horse that you were doing anything other than questioning the tack on Greg's horse and wanting to know more about it's use. I am pretty sure that this was the point that Lori was trying to make. That we should not assume anything about the things that people post based on anything that has happened in the past. I for one agree entirely with her. Thankyou for explaining why you posted that.

[CarolU]

I agree Cindy..it is only a one way street.

In all truth, all I (and Jamie, Stef, Terry, Jenn) wanted to know is what it is was (which you notice we STILL do not know!). Any alterior motives you were assuming. We've ALREADY BEEN BEAT TO DEATH about the one-rein stop. There is no reason to even guess why THAT was posted.

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, is a.....??

Thank you for making my point.

[Cindy]

Any alterior motives you were assuming

Carol, I just said that I did not assume anything other than that you wanted to know about the equipment. I do not think that you had any other motive nor do I think Sandy did when she posted in the training forum. Yes, two way street. And thankyou again for answering my original question. I now know why you posted what you did which is why I aksed you directly instead of assuming and/or trying to read your mind.

[Serendipity]

CarolU I'm confused? I think Lori's original post was pretty clear it was to: Everyone period not just one or a few but we all needed a wake up call.

so why are you Assuming You are being attached? and why are you dragging up and attaching others in a post that is to draw attion to everone that we need to respect each other?

The post you brought up was what this forum is suppose to be about people/friend haveing a discussion like Cindy said no one was offended and there was no insulting remarks?

But you again brought up Greg's new horse here? why? thats over and done with?let bygones be bygones.

The bit is a cereta,I do not know how it is spelled correctly so now you know what it was. why in that post did you exclaime "steward"?

AGain I'm not attacking I'm asking and Lori said it was okay to ask anything So if you have lots of info on Natural horsemanship post it I might like to read it I might disagree but yea thats life how boring would it be if we all agreed with everyone.

We need to respect each other opioions and not tear them down or keep bring up the the past.because its the past period start fresh the next day, don't carry baggage around that you don't have to be happy that we have so many knowlegeable people here no matter what the belief is.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

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The bit is a cereta,I do not know how it is spelled correctly
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The correct spelling is " SERRETA"

I am only doing this because you asked!!!!!


Saludos

[Pasogirlz]

:duh

[GregM]

Careful Lori, that might leave a mark...

[pnalley]

I wonder if a shock collar would work?

What ya think Lori?

[cowboy ed]

good morning! thanks, lori, for kindly reminding everyone of some basic guidelines of respect. ok, folks, lets just remember to have fun, and like cowboy woody said to sid, "BE NICE!"

[Laura S]

Well all I can say is I understand what Carol U was talking about because I was in on that thread. After I could see the concept of the one rein stop, or the alternative was being criticized I didn't want to be involved on that thread anymore. The topic of the thread was the alternative to the one rein stop and what THAT was all about. Not whether or not the one-rein stop works or not, or should be taught or not. Or the fact that a well trained horse should be taught to stop when asked period. I respect all your opinions as your opinions, and I don't think less of anybody for having a different opinion than mine. But when people start saying their training methods are superior to anothers, thats when I personally "leave" the conversation as it has no purpose. I am here to learn, not listen to trainers bash each others opinions or training methods!

So, say my daughter is riding a top notch well trained horse that has been "properly" taught to stop. And she was riding one day and got into a bees nest. How is a 60 lb child supposed to stop that horse? Even a perfectly trained horse can have "moments". And in my OPINION safety is everything.

[Terri]

I guess this is all beyond me. To me, if you don't agree with ...one rein stops, two rein stops....this bit or that bit...whether or not a horses should or shouldn't wear shoes. State your opinion and LET IT GO!!!! Why is it always a personal attack for some people? Is their life so involved around horses that they have no self esteem unless everybody agrees that they are super trainer and everybody is clamoring to follow THEIR advice. I take what I think will work for MY horse and forget the rest, make my own mistakes, offer opinions when asked and go about my business. Sometimes I've ignored advice I shouda taken and taken advice I should have ignored. And what works for one horse doesn't necessarily work for another. I've actually even PAID for training advice and then disregarded it cause I didn't think it would work for me. But I didn't think less of the trainer or his advice. I just considered it a learning experience and banked it for future reference. One trainer even told me Mico was spoiled and lazy. Did I take it as a personal reflection on ME???? NO, actually he was right, but it didn't rock my world.

It is just like kids. Parents of small children get into the same stupid personalized arguements. If you don't use THESE diapers, or send you kid to THIS preschool, you are practically abusive. I guess it is human nature.

I have taken advice from many on this board, both Carol and Sandy and Terry and others. I have also disregarded some of what the same people have said. I guess when I agree with them it doesn't necessarily make me think - OH, that person has all the answers. Or on the flip side, when I disagree, I don't suddenly think - Oh that person doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

So, why can't we all offer what we know, WHEN out opinion is asked, because we ALL have valuable knowledge gain from personal experiences. As for me, if someone is cyberland disagrees with my horse keeping methods, my world is not rocked. But then again, I am a back yard hack and my professional reputation is NOT riding on what people say on a on-line BB. Is yours? If you are a well know trainer, does someones posting REALLY affect your reputation amoung the people who know and trust you on a personal level?

I guess all I am saying is that I agree with Ed, lets play nice. :soap box

[Centauress]

Well said. 8-)

Only one thing Terri - how could you say that about Mico after the great ride you had on him Friday! Poor guy! ;-)

[Laura S]

Well said Terri, thanks!

[moonrize]

Well, Lori, you've done a good job raising the children. However, I liked it when Appy and Barbwire were BAD GIRLZ :twisted: Please, can they be a little bit bad??? I'll be really good if you let them be bad ;-)

However, Lori, this is a great place for most of us. There are a few who clash over every little thing, but you know what? You can always suspend them for a week or two from posting privileges :shock: Just like a naughty child, take the toy away until they can play nice.

[Barbwire]

Lori, listen to Sally, she is wise beyond her years. ;-)

[Pasogirlz]

Well, Lori, you've done a good job raising the children. However, I liked it when Appy and Barbwire were BAD GIRLZ :twisted: Please, can they be a little bit bad??? I'll be really good if you let them be bad ;-)



I just got these two trained good. Are you crazy? :lol:

[britzlove]

I haven't been here two years...but well over a year and I can honestly say it became part of my life not just a BB...I have met so many wonderful people here, and even greatly appreciate the people who push me to even further lengths in debates...it makes this a colorful place.

I consider this BB a gift to me....what I needed. My friends found here are pure gold.

No request to behave is too much...anything for you Lori, and PasoMom who have kept this a wonderful virtual Pasofinoville for me to visit :smile: :hug

Britz

[Candice Burger]

Very eloquently said Britzy! :D

[Carol Nelson]

However, Lori, this is a great place for most of us. There are a few who clash over every little thing, but you know what? You can always suspend them for a week or two from posting privileges Just like a naughty child, take the toy away until they can play nice.


Oooo...now THAT would hurt!!! :shock: :-? ;-)