PFHW ..bad news email from Al Berry

[Abejita]

Earlier in the year the Paso Fino Horse World (PFHW) became one of the more significant challenges the leadership of the Association has had to face this year. For more than a decade the Association had contracted with two publishers for PFHW who retained the revenue from ad sales as compensation for the cost of producing PFHW. In return the PFHA received a percentage (normally 50%) of the magazine pages for editorial content. Unfortunately, the existing arrangement did not prove profitable for either publisher. A contributing factor that limited profitability for the publishers was that PFHW ad rates had not changed since 1991.

The Association leadership sought out new publishers and looked at alternative solutions to include bringing the PFHW in house. After an extensive search Lionheart Publishing was selected by the Executive Committee to publish the PFHW. This company has an outstanding reputation in the publishing field and a track record of producing an outstanding magazine. In this transition, however, the future look and feel of the PFHW will be somewhat different. A number of previously published informational items will be moved to the web site, additional articles on “how to” will be included and for a short period of time, the frequency of the PFHW will change. Beginning with the June/July issue advertising rates will be adjusted to align with similar publications and there will be three magazines produced for the remainder of 2007; in 2008 there will be seven (7) issues and in 2009 eight (8) issues, with a goal of having the PFHW back up to a near monthly magazine by 2010. With this change comes some stability as well, Ms. Stephanie Dunkin will remain as the Editor of the PFHW and Lionheart Publishing will increase the sales staff by adding Ms. Sharon Baker, Advertising Sales (813-852-9942; sharonb@lionhrtpub.com) and Ms. Maria Bennett, Classified Sales (888-303-5639, ext 219; bennett@lionhrtpub.com) to meet the needs of all advertisers.

As previously mentioned, three issues of PFHW will be published for the remainder of 2007 – a June/July, August/September and October/November issues. In 2008 the publication schedule calls for issues of PFHW to be published in January, March, May, July, September, November and December 2008.

The decision to proceed with a new publisher and accept the reality of advertising and scheduling changes was not an easy one for the Executive Committee but it was necessary. We believe we’ve made the best decision possible in an effort to balance membership benefit/communication with the economic realities of the day. We ask for your patience and acceptance during this two to two and half year transition period. Working together we hope to be back on a monthly or near monthly schedule with PFHW by 2010.

[Terry Wallace]

Sooo...what does this mean for membership rates? Will the sub go down? Stay the same? Go up for fewer issues?

Will the membership application still require the magazine be bought?

[Kerry W]

RFD-TV is dropping us from the schedule for a while too. They suggest we write and protest...say "we want our Pasos!" Wonder if we can write to CJ and say "We want our MAGAZINE!!!!" :roll:

[Carol Nelson]

Oh that's just great...as if the marketability for our breed isn't bad enough already...now this...
And you can bet the price of the subscription won't go down... :roll:

[Terry Wallace]

And you can bet the price of the subscription won't go down...

Datz what I'm thinkin'...... :roll:

[Pinto Paso]

I doubt that that fewer issues, higher prices and poorer still distribution will help with the lack of advertising...

PFHA - HAS GOT to start realizing we have sold each other all of the horses we are going to sell each other... they have forced out the small breeder, the true pleasure horse breeder and the newcomers... so they just keep squeezing the elite (?) that remain.

I was forced into paying a higher price for membership and for that higher price I was supposed to receive additional products (magazines).. I doubt I will get a refund for fewer magazines and I doubt they will allow us to opt out of receiving a magazine that has ZERO information or appeal to me.

Ad prices in line with other magazines??? I doubt it!!!! as a matter of fact I know the new rate increases will not be in line with any magazine that has as pathetic distribution or lack of content...

I advertise in other magazines for far less than the current prices charged by PFHA magazine and get FAR better coverage and response.

So they can put any type of spin they want on the situation but all it is, is another money grab from those of us that have to use PFHA because of registration papers.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

There are many ways to ELIMINATE COSTS!!!!!!! but eliminating the monthly issues is not the PROPER and CORRECT WAY!

Back in January or February or when the prior company drooped us, we found a PUBLISHER that was willing to work some numbers, thanks to Steff, nothing was done and the next thing I noticed we had contracted a local one, that one that we are presently using.

It is so easy for anyone to say the problem, but so hard to correct the problem........WHY????? POLITICS, and no one with the COJONES!!!!!! to stand for what is right. I will REPEATED we are missing COJONES!!!!!!!!

The PFHA is supposed to be a NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION, althought I dont see it......... nor is run that way either........

We have a EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR........... making a SALARY that is an exageration to begin with.

By reading at the above mentioned post, is mentioning 3 inside (PFHA)employees to run this magazine.

To begin, 3 salaries plus the Executive Director makes a total of HUNDREDS of THOUDSAND each year......... HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!! is time for us members to STAND UP!!!!!!!!!!!! and in UNITY VOICE OUR PETITIONS!!!!!


Secondly: I need to double check on our RULES/BY LAWS and so forth..... but I think there is a clause on our PFHA CONSTITUTION that says that they must produce something monthly..........


CONCLUSSION: This is an ORGANIZATION run by ALL MEMBERS and is not....... LETS GET IT BACK.......... and let US MEMBERS DECIDE what and HOW things will run.




And by the way........... why did us members werent notify of this????????? UNTIL NOW???????????

Also I will like to know SALARIES!!!!!

We all know the EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR is in the $100'S per year!!!!!!
but how about the other 3'S ?????? one of then is in the $50's I have heard!!! maybe?????

[Pinto Paso]

I will REPEATED we are missing COJONES!!!!!!!!

Felix, I am sorry yours are missing :shock: - mine are still right here, I just am not throwing enough $ to PFHA to count :twisted:

We have been actively utilizing other organizations with really good results... Something PFHA has never done for small breeders

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

I will REPEATED we are missing COJONES!!!!!!!!

Felix, I am sorry yours are missing :shock: - mine are still right here, I just am not throwing enough $ to PFHA to count :twisted:

We have been actively utilizing other organizations with really good results... Something PFHA has never done for small breeders


Trust me!!!!! just checked!!!!!!! and my PRIDE and JOY is intact!!!!!!!!! glad yours are too!!!!!!! :lol:

[SandyMM]

I will REPEATED we are missing COJONES!!!!!!!!
I feel I must point out that I never had them and never missed them......
:bolts :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

However............... ;-) You are correct in that it is time to take steps - stop the poormouthing by the association and cut some of the dead wood out of the budget - starting at the top....

Less for more($) is not only bad business - it's killing the expansion of the breed and destroying any incentive to remain an annual dues paying member. If we weren't showing and breeding, there would be zero incentive to join except to get the original registration paperwork completed.

[Pinto Paso]

Trust me!!!!! just checked!!!!!!! and my PRIDE and JOY is intact!!!!!!!!! glad yours are too!!!!!!! :lol:

http://pintopaso.com/whew1.gif

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Trust me!!!!! just checked!!!!!!! and my PRIDE and JOY is intact!!!!!!!!! glad yours are too!!!!!!! :lol:

http://pintopaso.com/whew1.gif



:rofl

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

RFD-TV is dropping us from the schedule for a while too. They suggest we write and protest...say "we want our Pasos!" Wonder if we can write to CJ and say "We want our MAGAZINE!!!!" :roll:


DO YOU THINK HE CARES?????? :confused

[Abejita]

The RFDTV story from enews..

RFDTV
RFDTV has been given permission to be a "for-profit" TV channel. The time slots we had have been purchased by someone else, thus no shows for the next two month. However, your PFHA Marketing Committee is working with RFDTV to get back on the air. We will have more details on our program later, but right now you may want to give RFDTV (or e-mail) a call and ask them, why we are no longer on their horse show schedule. Tell them you miss the shows. Enough interest on our part surely would be helpful. Phone: 615-227-9292 E-Mail: info@rfdtv.c

[Laura S]

So why did they vote CJ to continue as executive director if he seems to be running the organization into the ground? It seems the association has been deteriorating ever since I have been a member which has been about 7 years. Any other company would have booted him a long time ago! I don't get it.

[Pinto Paso]

$$$$$$ - POWER, CONTROL personal gain

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

GOOD QUESTION!!!! HE IS ONLY IN POWER DUE TO A VERY MISLEADING VOTING SYSTEM CALLED, "BULK" VOTING.

But still, he can always be voted out at any given moment if 30% of the members decide the EXECUTIVE POSITION IS NO LONGER NEEDED.

ANY RULES CAN ALSO BE CHANGED UNDER THE SAME SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!IS THE LAW, OUR RULES, 30% WITHOUT NEEDING TO GO THROUGH THE RED TAPE OF A COMMITTEE....


SO, WHAT ARE WE WAITING???????????????? FOR ????????


IS ABOUT TIME, WE TAKE POWER OF OUR OWN ASSOCIATION BEFORE IS TOO LATE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kerry W]

Felix...I don't know if he cares or not...I just thought an enormous amount of email from his constituents would make his day. :twisted:

Laura, I think he was left in office, because no one remembered that he had to have a performance evaluation, before he could be replaced.

At any rate....I really am not "feelin' the love" from PFHA members for their association, over the whole magazine deal. The idea was to use it as a tool for communication for the membership, and that is what they used to sell the requirement for subscription. I personally enjoyed it more, when they had to work a bit for those subscriber dollars...but what do I know???? :new confused I'm not feeling encouraged about renewing my membership.

[Abejita]

He was voted back in due to the fact that if we had voted him out it would have violated the terms of his contract which would have been WRONG
From a thread from last year..PasoPerson posted this
http://www.americanpasofinos.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10327&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid=bc78c4d01df8a92d5332e51e75e879ce
Here's a portion of the Southern Regional minutes from their October general membership meeting. It gives a different perspective on some of what's been said above.

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SPUD introduced Tony Coleman, Treasurer of PFHA. Tony gave talk on how PFHA operates. The budget for 2006 is $2,000.000 and is balanced.
CLAYTON made a motion that we accept the budget except for the futurity portion.
SPUD said the self-supporting Fino futurity has been in effect. We should have a performance futurity and a pleasure futurity. Spud explained how the futurity money was split.
CLAYTON changed his motion: Accept budget as written. Show of hands vote taken. 34 for; 0 opposed.
SPUD. Should C.J. Marcello’s contract be renewed for an additional 3 years? The content of the contract isn’t being revised.
TONY. There has been a major contract violation. C.J. was entitled to a performance review before September 30. He was not given one. The Executive Committee met on September 27 after months of research. On
October 5 the PFHA Executive Committee told C.J. he wasn’t getting an increase; his performance was unsatisfactory. The vote by the E.C. was 4 to 3. Litigation will be C.J.’s response. MARCIA WILSON. What does Spud think about C.J.?
SPUD. Pro: C.J. is above reproach financially. Against: Poor people skills; inflexible.
SHEILA SPENCE. She has been in the breed for 20 years and was on the Executive Committee. C.J. came into PFHA and turned a struggling little entity into a big, efficient organization. He took the iniative in buying the
building in Plant City. C.J. enforces the rules without prejudice. The people on the Executive Committee who voted against C.J. were appointed, not elected.
Richard MILLER. C.J. has saved the day many times. He has been given consistant raises and mostly good reviews. He takes the blame for everything that goes wrong.
SPUD. Asked members of the Executive Committee who voted against C.J. why they voted that way. Two of them said. “It’s time for a change”. No other reason.
CLAYTON. C.J. has always been a good resource. He doesn’t always say what Clayton wants to hear, but he is always right.
SPUD. C.J. is Vice President of Confepaso. He is the first non-Spanish officer. He will be elevated to President.
LINDSAY CAMPBELL. While C.J. has gotten the finances of PFHA straightened out, she would like a “warmer, fuzzier” person in C.J.’s position and would like to avoid the politics which go on. People who are pleasure and endurance riders complain that calls to PFHA aren’t returned.
CATHY MAULSBY. PFHA needs more people to handle the business of the 80 per cent of members who don’t show.
CLAYTON. Made a motion that Southern Region vote to renew C.J.’s contract. Seconded by Sheila Spence.
MARCIA WILSON. We have a lot of big problems coming up the road. C.J. can handle all of them. Switching now wouldn’t be good business. C.J. hasn’t been properly warned. If we’re going to let him go, we need to plan
a strategy very carefully.
ALEI ORTIZ. C.J. instituted the $395 fee for late entering of certain classes. The fee has made a lot of money for PFHA over the years. There needs to be two committees in PFHA: One for the trail riders and one for the people who show.
ROSEANNE GARCIA. C.J. isn’t the one to blame for the problems. The Board and the Executive Committee are to blame and there are personal vendettas.
VOTE: A standup vote was taken There were 11 votes against and the rest were for. Motion to retain C.J. Marcello carried.
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[Pinto Paso]

30% agreeing on one thing at one time - yeah, you go with that :D let me know how that works out for you :lol:

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

kERRY ALL YOU WILL DO IS MORE WORK FOR HIS SECRETARY IN DELETING THEM........

I THINK THIS IS THE TIME TO GET PETITIONS SINGED AND DEMAND ACTION!!!!!!!!! WE MUST DO SOMETHING NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.

THAT IS THE SOLE PURPOSE OF WWW.PASOVOICE.COM

[Abejita]

But still, he can always be voted out at any given moment if 30% of the members decide the EXECUTIVE POSITION IS NO LONGER NEEDED.

I believe that as a not for profit organization the government requires a BOD and that would include an executive director..SOMEONE has to be the E.D ( I said BE the E.D. not SUFFER WITH E.D.) :twisted:

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Abejita, that contract can be void....... with a penalty, that will be less
than 3 years of SALARIES........


Plus where is the CONTRACT?????????? all I see is a very good friend Tony defending the ED..............

[Laura S]

OH, well I didn't think the members voted for him, I thought it was the board of directors or something. I'm not much of a political person, but I did send in my own vote for the President, V.P. , Secretary and Treasurer. I don't think I've ever seen a ballot for executive director.

What is the job description for the executive director? And what exactly does he do? Whatever it is, I'm sure it's not worth what he's getting paid!

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

you are correct B.O.D. votes for that seat!!!!!!!!!!! wowow!!!!!!

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

[quote="Kerry W"][
Laura, I think he was left in office, because no one remembered that he had to have a performance evaluation, before he could be replaced.




I ask, who forgot to do the EVALUATION??? could have been GOOD OLD FRIEND TONY????? do I smell good intentions??????? can a contract be honored when certain intentions PLAYED???????

[Pasofinoguy]

C.J. enforces the rules without prejudice

Except tails.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

He was voted back in due to the fact that if we had voted him out it would have violated the terms of his contract which would have been WRONG
From a thread from last year..PasoPerson posted this
http://www.americanpasofinos.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10327&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid=bc78c4d01df8a92d5332e51e75e879ce
Here's a portion of the Southern Regional minutes from their October general membership meeting. It gives a different perspective on some of what's been said above.

---

SPUD introduced Tony Coleman, Treasurer of PFHA. Tony gave talk on how PFHA operates. The budget for 2006 is $2,000.000 and is balanced.
CLAYTON made a motion that we accept the budget except for the futurity portion.
SPUD said the self-supporting Fino futurity has been in effect. We should have a performance futurity and a pleasure futurity. Spud explained how the futurity money was split.
CLAYTON changed his motion: Accept budget as written. Show of hands vote taken. 34 for; 0 opposed.
SPUD. Should C.J. Marcello’s contract be renewed for an additional 3 years? The content of the contract isn’t being revised.
TONY. There has been a major contract violation. C.J. was entitled to a performance review before September 30. He was not given one. The Executive Committee met on September 27 after months of research. On
October 5 the PFHA Executive Committee told C.J. he wasn’t getting an increase; his performance was unsatisfactory. The vote by the E.C. was 4 to 3. Litigation will be C.J.’s response. MARCIA WILSON. What does Spud think about C.J.?
SPUD. Pro: C.J. is above reproach financially. Against: Poor people skills; inflexible.
SHEILA SPENCE. She has been in the breed for 20 years and was on the Executive Committee. C.J. came into PFHA and turned a struggling little entity into a big, efficient organization. He took the iniative in buying the
building in Plant City. C.J. enforces the rules without prejudice. The people on the Executive Committee who voted against C.J. were appointed, not elected.
Richard MILLER. C.J. has saved the day many times. He has been given consistant raises and mostly good reviews. He takes the blame for everything that goes wrong.
SPUD. Asked members of the Executive Committee who voted against C.J. why they voted that way. Two of them said. “It’s time for a change”. No other reason.
CLAYTON. C.J. has always been a good resource. He doesn’t always say what Clayton wants to hear, but he is always right.
SPUD. C.J. is Vice President of Confepaso. He is the first non-Spanish officer. He will be elevated to President.
LINDSAY CAMPBELL. While C.J. has gotten the finances of PFHA straightened out, she would like a “warmer, fuzzier” person in C.J.’s position and would like to avoid the politics which go on. People who are pleasure and endurance riders complain that calls to PFHA aren’t returned.
CATHY MAULSBY. PFHA needs more people to handle the business of the 80 per cent of members who don’t show.
CLAYTON. Made a motion that Southern Region vote to renew C.J.’s contract. Seconded by Sheila Spence.
MARCIA WILSON. We have a lot of big problems coming up the road. C.J. can handle all of them. Switching now wouldn’t be good business. C.J. hasn’t been properly warned. If we’re going to let him go, we need to plan
a strategy very carefully.
ALEI ORTIZ. C.J. instituted the $395 fee for late entering of certain classes. The fee has made a lot of money for PFHA over the years. There needs to be two committees in PFHA: One for the trail riders and one for the people who show.
ROSEANNE GARCIA. C.J. isn’t the one to blame for the problems. The Board and the Executive Committee are to blame and there are personal vendettas.
VOTE: A standup vote was taken There were 11 votes against and the rest were for. Motion to retain C.J. Marcello carried.
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On October 31st,2006 Almost 6 months ago, This Forum had a Thread!!!

Where are we today after 6 months?????? We are HURTING!! more than
6 months ago!!!!!!!!!


CJ!!!! if you really love this breed, GIVE IT UP and STEP DOWN!!!!!!!!!!! or STEP OUT!!!!!!!!

[SandyMM]

CJ!!!! if you really love this breed
Love it? Has he ever given any indication that he even it _likes_ it?

[Fuego]

S.S. / D.D. Nothing changes w/the PFHA. It's an elite organization ran by the elite for the elite. The little people whine and complain but continue to write checks to financially supprot the elite that ignore them.

Sometimes people get EXACATLY what they deserve ......

Enjoy your organization...........

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

CJ!!!! if you really love this breed
Love it? Has he ever given any indication that he even it _likes_ it?


Well that is a given, but we always have to give THAT benefit of the dought........ what ever that means!!!!! GREEN BREED! and drained us.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

S.S. / D.D. Nothing changes w/the PFHA. It's an elite organization ran by the elite for the elite. The little people whine and complain but continue to write checks to financially supprot the elite that ignore them.

Sometimes people get EXACATLY what they deserve ......

Enjoy your organization...........



Fuego, I agreed 100% with you, would you like to get involved?

[Fuego]

No thank you Caliber. I closed that door several years ago after it became glaringly apparent that the PFHA had no place for me or my Paso Fino.

Life with my Paso Fino was not diminished one iota when I stopped being a PFHA member, so I feel I made the right choice for me. I'd rather spend my horse dollars in a place and way that I at least have a possibility of getting something in return.

But thanks for the offer Caliber..... :D

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

I HEAR YOU FUEGO!!!!!!! and also understand.... the frustration!!!!! I know like you self threre are many out there......

If you ever change your mind, let me know.


Saludos

[Candice Burger]

Actually, by rule, the BOD comprises of regional directors. Regional directors, by rule, use a form of proxy voting. Each activity the BOD votes on uses the popular voting system. So what this means is your regional director used your vote for all decisions made during a BOD. Each member is assigned a region when they join UNLESS they formally designate another region (there is a process) OR formally request to remain undesignated (there is a process). When the BOD convenes they, by rule, vote by popular vote using those designated members votes. It matters NOT whether you pay your dues, actively participate with your designated region. If you are undesignated you have NO formal representation at all. Your vote is not counted.

So, do not allow anyone to tell you that you do not vote at BOD meetings. You most certainly do, whether you have authorized it or not, know about the agenda or not, have been informed or not. For members, you have several choices:

1. Continue to allow PFHA to abuse your membership privileges
2. Attend all BOD meetings and disallow your vote to be used
3. Formally request to be undesignated--no region is allowed to use your vote and you must attend to be represented.
4. Begin a membership action to change the rules to be more transparent and representative, which BTW the PFHA rules allow.


Caliber what are you trying to do? Get me to care? You know what I'm waiting for? A sign from people that they understand this is serious business, hard work, commitment, long term. As soon as I say "change the by-laws" the unbelievable accusatory attacks on a visceral emotional level is unbelievable. All I'm saying is follow the PFHA rules, which state in black and white the due process PFHA members are allowed. To change takes a grass roots effort--OUR EFFORT, OUR WANT. This is for the breed. All those things we complain about has a core, a foundation from which it begins. So many still complain about PFHA. PFHA is us, me and you all. US. We created the by-laws, we can change them. Stop acting like is some devil incarnate take over plan. It can't be, not legally within this corporation. Legally only members, by vote, can change the by-laws.

PasoVoice is the brainchild of a very small handful of PFHA members that wanted to see positive change for ALL members BY members. The attempt behind PasoVoice is to systematically change the By-laws to prevent the "forget to give a performance evaluation" excuses by the people chosen to represent three interests: members, PFHA, and the breed. If the rules specifically required a process for hiring, contracting, evaluating and releasing hired help (Yes, CJ is hired help) then no one would "forget". Surely there would be members with enough concern to "remind" their regional delegate of his/her duties to them, PFHA, and the breed.

[Candice Burger]

Fuego, I'm sorry you feel that way about me and others here that are PFHA members. That is a shame.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Candice, you are begining to know me well :lol:

[Kerry W]

Does anyone but me feel it's a bit nutty that we need a separate group to represent the members, when it's a member driven association? I mean, after the overwhelming reaction to the requirement to TAKE the magazine with a membership, you'd think it would be obvious that this particular plan of action would likely be welcomed with the SAME reaction, if not worse.

It says the mag will have a different look and feel. What does that mean? I'm having visions of the old PFOBA paper format. :shock: Information will be posted on the PFHA website? Why isn't the notification about this MAJOR change, there already? It doesn't take that long to copy and paste this notification in the code.

Just a side note...with a $35/year membership to AQHA...you get their association publication (bi monthly). I'm feelin' the need for a discount. :lol:

[Fuego]

Candace, I feel safe in assuming that you know the difference between a victim and a volunteer.

If a person continues to financially support an organization ( year after year) that doesn't meet their needs / ignores them, and the only action the people take are to whine and complain in between their continued financial contributions, they will get no sympathy from me.

Writing out a check to the PFHA is a personal choice ( the PFHA is not the IRS). If a person CHOOSES to continue financially supporting an organization that they know from years of experience will not offer them anything in return, in my opinion, do get exactly what they deserve.

[Pinto Paso]

Actually Fuego that is not completely accurate - I have to be a member to reduce the costs of registration, stallion reports etc.. I HAVE to, to ensure that I can stay in business. I will no longer support anything else PFHA does and if I could find an association that replaces the necessities for us we would switch in a heart beat.. My horses are not less when I am uninvolved with PFHA and the association is irrelevent to my marketing and promotion of the Paso Fino horse but they do hold the paperwork...

So even though some of us cut checks does not mean we get what we deserve, it means that we are working on self preservation.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

If a person CHOOSES to continue financially supporting an organization that they know from years of experience will not offer them anything in return, in my opinion, do get exactly what they deserve.


Well Fuego, I happend to think that your statement is a bit out of accuracy too, but with that said, I also respect your PERSONAL EMOTIONS.

After all the REGIONALS are the one responsible for your GEOGRAPHICAL NEEDS........ and I do agreed, that some REGIONALS THINK and i will REPEAT THINK they are the ELITE group.....

The PFHA is a different ball game all together.......... we have an EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR running the show....... intemidating all those around him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or at least trying to!!!! jejeje.......
and literally speaking draining out funds underground.............. in plain words..........

We have too many kiss buts in there, just afraid to speak up in fear of MR. CJ Blacklist............
We have too many members in there lacking the COJONES that their position requires them to have...... in this association.

We need to RE-STRUCTURE our finances, cut in salary, cut in expenses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for the better of our breed........... NOT WAIT FOR THE NEXT B.O.D. meeting, to have our E.D. tells us where we are, when I am sure him himself does not even have a clue............. what a joke!!!!!!!

So, conclusion, I am a proud member of the PFHA, I will support them till my last day......... BUT WE NEED A CHANGE!!!!!!!! and I am sure that change will happend soon...........

[Terry Wallace]

I am sure that change will happend soon...........


Caliber....take a look into your "crystal cojone" and tell me when you expect this change. ;-)

I have pulled all my support from PFHA. I will only rejoin when I breed outside mares so I can file a stallion report, and sign breeder certificates.

I used to join every year...and for the same reasons posted by pintopaso, Though I did buy stallion auction breedings and supply some artwork for awards to the PFHA... I help out in my region and work with our chapter president.

No more.... to me the PFHA needs an overhaul in many areas. Yet it always seems to be the same ol' same ol' ... I'm just not going to support it...

[Carol Nelson]

Being a breeder, I'm screwed...I have to be a member to be able to do all the above that Terry mentioned...stallion reports, registrations, etc. Very disheartening. I've managed to not be a member of Southwest Region because of the very fact that I got nothing in return for my membership and it hasn't affected my business at all...but unfortunately, I need the PFHA. :-?

[Pinto Paso]

You are so right Terry, at this point I think the only message PFHA will hear is if all of us that do not benefit from current PFHA politics and/or operations pull all support that is beyond the bare necessities that each of us require. Show them that we will no longer throw our money into a an account that is used for only activites and policies that do NOTHING for us.

I think that if an outside organization or agency (or what ever) was first to pour over the rules/bylaws and constitution and note ALL of the flagrant abuses and things that are ignored - that the membership could present them and force the association to adhere to current rules etc... THEN start with fixing the ones that need to be fixed by proper submission and follow up FOLLOWED by submission of new rules/bylaws etc to incompass a complete American Paso Fino horse and owner..

Calibre is correct that making more noise and rocking the boat currently just gets you blacklisted or gets you recognized in a bad way - pulling as much financial support as you as a breeder can get away with will have more effect.

[Kerry W]

Being a breeder/seller gives you the MOST power, because most of the money that goes into PFHA, comes from registrations and the like.

[Pinto Paso]

Sorry Kerry, you should look at the financial aspects of it - this does not bring in the largest portion of revenues to PFHA.

[Carol Nelson]

You are so right Terry, at this point I think the only message PFHA will hear is if all of us that do not benefit from current PFHA politics and/or operations pull all support that is beyond the bare necessities that each of us require.

That's what I'm already doing NOW....I've even decided not to participate in the stallion service auction simply because it is nothing but an extra cost to me with no returns. Showing is too expensive and all that are at the shows are other exhibitors with their own horses...the general public rarely attends. I don't produce the type of horses that they want in the show ring...so it would be fruitless for me to attempt to compete...basically the paperwork is all I really belong to the Association for.

[SandyMM]

Before this turns into a p-match - go check out the 'new' PFHW ad site....
http://lionhrtpub.com/pfhw-mk.html

Nearly $3000 for the front page and one inside page..... for one bi-monthly issue....

And the Horse For Sale -
Old:
$50 per issue - 12 issues available/yr
12 x 50 = $600 ad cost
12 x 5500 copies = 66,000 copies annual
$.0091/copy rate

New:
$200 per issue - 6 issues available/yr
6 x$200 = 1200 ad cost
6 x 5500 = 33,000 copies annual
$.0364/copy rate

That's _quadrupled_ the cost of the Horse for Sale ad....

And what's really 'odd' - the same size ad (+/-) business card ad is now $540/yr @ $.0164/copy rate - less than half......


2007 Advertising Information for
Paso Fino Horse World
The Official Publication of the Paso Fino Horse Association

Paso Fino Horse World is the official publication of the Paso Fino Horse Association. It is a bi-monthly publication devoted to the Paso Fino equine breed and its owners. The focus of the publication is to serve as a communications venue for the Paso Fino Horse Association. Paso Fino Horse World features editorials, news and breed articles geared toward educating and informing its readers, generating interest from potential new breed enthusiasts and furnishing advertising opportunities to the membership and subscribers

[Carol Nelson]

Holy Mackeral!!! :shock:

[Pinto Paso]

I dont know what magazines they think they are comparable to LOL..

Gee maybe if the magazine were available to the general public where (oh my god) people could be exposed to the breed our advertising rates wouldnt have to be so rediculous!!!

This isnt a newsletter people - this is a breed magazine, sending it to a few non-owner subscribers and owners/breeders should not be the sole purpose of this publication.

I get so much better coverage and interest by advertising in magazines that are available on magazine racks..

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

WHAT A RIP!!!!!!!!!! is all I have to say.


Sandy, plz correct your link!!!!! I cant get it, or is just me?

[Carol Nelson]

I didn't get it to work either, Felix. Just the quotes were enough for me...that's crazy...guess it leaves me out of advertising in the mag anymore... :-?

[Carol Nelson]

http://lionhrtpub.com/pfhw-mk.html

Here ya go...it was the dots that were screwing it up...

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

Thanks Carol.

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

WOW!!!!!!!!! I can even advertise in the PALYBOY Magazine for less than that............... and is an INTERNATIONAL Magazine......

I think they are smoking it GREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!can please someone tell them it most be DRY OUT FIRST.......

WHAT AN INSULT!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pinto Paso]

smoking it GREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!can please someone tell them it most be DRY OUT FIRST.......

I have NO idea what you're talking abouthttp://www.funwithmsn.com/msnsmileys/fun/marijuana.gif

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

In our country we learned that Tabaco leaves had to be dryed !!!!!!! green tabaco leaves can cause brain damage!!!!!!


LOL

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

FREE PROMO!!!!! SHOWTIME MAGAZINE is of a much better quality with a DVD, International routings and the best thing HALF THE PRICE!!!!!!!

[Terry Wallace]

Being a breeder/seller gives you the MOST power

Nope...not IMO.... I still get one vote....it don't matter if I register one horse or a hundred...

Registrations have been down...and still it is biz as usual...at PFHA.

[Pinto Paso]

http://www.funwithmsn.com/msnsmileys/fun/marijuana.gif
ooooooh - my bad

[Terry Wallace]

Pinto Paso wrote:


ooooooh - my bad

Hehehehe...we "learned" something a little different here in our country! :D

[Kerry W]

Sorry Kerry, you should look at the financial aspects of it - this does not bring in the largest portion of revenues to PFHA.

OOh...my turn...my bad. It does bring in a significant portion of revenue though. Without those dollars, we might need to cut some of CJ's bennies. ;-)

[Fuego]

So, Pinto Paso.... you HAVE to belong to the PFHA. Did the PFHA pass a legal mandate that requires you to breed Paso Finos and register the horses with the PFHA?

You CHOOSE to continue breed Pasos and you CHOOSE to register them with the PFHA. ( that would qualify as personal choice, not a mandate)

You state that you limit your involvement with the PFHA up to the point that it serves YOUR needs. How is that any different then how the PFHA treats you?

They want your money and you send it.
You want registration papers and they send it.
So what exactly is your complaint? That the PFHA treats you the same way that you treat them?

I do understand what you're saying and would likely do the same as you if I CHOSE to breed Paso Finos. But it is still YOUR PERSONAL CHOICE.

I've seen ( and made) all these same complaints since I bought my first registered Paso Fino and became a member many years ago. And the only thing that has ever changed is the names of the people complaining. I sure haven't seen ANY change in how the PFHA conducts business or treats it's members.

If the PFHA ever does becomes an organization whose priority is to honestly and ethically promote the entire breed and to serve it's membership, I'll likely rejoin. But I won't be holding my breath.
Until then I'll continue to enjoy a wide range of activities with my Paso and financially support the organizations that actually want and appreciate my participation.

It still comes down to personal choice. I've made mine and live with it happily.

[Pinto Paso]

You dont understand the business end of my breeding/training operation Fuego. Yes I choose to send them $ to get what in essence belongs to me (documentation of pedigree of MY horses) I have chosen to treat PFHA as they treat me not the other way around as you stated... I have been a supporting member of PFOBA (now PFHA) for 20 years - watching it decline over many of those years and so have withdrawn my support to the point that I am at now....

[PLEASURE PASOFINO]

By ELIMINATING CJ Marcello salary and one more employee of the magazine that does not need 3 employees, the PFHA will be making over $200,000.00 profit per year.............

That is the solution!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the only solution...........

[SandyMM]

Registrations have been down...and still it is biz as usual...at PFHA.
According to Bob Linteau - this morning - PFHA has +/- 7900 members down from 8300 +/- last year.... If I remember correctly, PFHA membership has been on a pretty steady decline over the past few years...

I asked Bob what PFHA offered non-show members for their membership dollars...

Name the benefits you think non-show members get....

[Terry Wallace]

Name the benefits you think non-show members get....

Ummm.....


Ahhhhh...

I'm still "thinking"......


Wellll?????


Ummm.... ahh......

All I can think of is that the horse registrations are kept on record..... other than that....ummmmm....ahhh......wellll?????

I can't think of ANY............... :(

[cowboy ed]

the magazine could use an overhaul...... :smile:

[Abejita]

Are we getting a May issue???

[jmtw]

I'm with Fuego, for what it's worth.
I'm not a member, never will be, because of (I think) ridiculous prices.

Things will only change if you personally change them.

Just out of curiosity, what would happen if no one renewed membership?
The officers would lose their checks and move on to greener pastures.
The place would shut down, probably.
Then you could open a new one up and unless you stayed involved, have the same problems eventually.

Why not start your own organization ( and isn't there another, smaller one? Seems like I read about one somewhere)? If it's better, then members will flock to you and PFHA will be no more.

BTW, what is the big deal with a "registered" horse anyway?
Is it required for shows? Is it just a fashion statement? Does it prove your horse is better?

[SandyMM]

BTW, what is the big deal with a "registered" horse anyway?
The incentive to breed better horses...

[Bonnie M]

Abejita....I just received my May issue yesterday.

[Abejita]

Thanks Bonnie I will look for mine soon then..

I forwarded Lynn G's post under my old poll '"do you read your regional news?" to my regional prez and asked her to mass email to our members..Lynn ..hopefully your email box will have some more responses in it soon...

If you have not read what she said go do it..

http://www.americanpasofinos.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12986&sid=03cafab594c8afb8ceab433120ec295f

once again MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD

[Carol Nelson]

BTW, what is the big deal with a "registered" horse anyway?

What it usually means is that someone had taken the time and the care to PLAN your horse, and verify the parentage, rather than it just being an ACCIDENT that just happened. :smile:

[jmtw]

I've always thought horses (animals, humans, whatever) should be judged on merit (etc), not bloodlines.
Since I am an american and therefore a mutt. :lol:
I mean, look at Hidalgo. Granted, he had an exceptional rider (but then, the arabs did too).

But, yeah. I can see where it would be nice to prove lineage.

[Bev Newcomer]

This was a decision made by the entire executive board and not the membership as was the show tax they have since revoked. Every year for the past 14 we have gotten a family membership. My hubby's name is not on the papers of any of the horses and I highly doubt we will be doing any more showing due to time to prepare the horses and the cost. When it's time to renew I will not get a family membership and if I could I would not renew mine as well but due to having a horse in the show ring I will renew mine. If I could get it without the magazine I must definately would. I could not even afford to advertise a horse for sale for one month at the new fee schedule. Cutting the regional news to one small paragraph is beyond reason.

I've supported the pfha in the past but as they continue to phase out the little people I feel I no longer can.

Bev Newcomer

[Carol Nelson]

Sad days ahead for our breed, I'm afraid...just reinforces the idea that Paso Finos are only for the rich... :(

[Laura S]

Yes, sad days....I am sure we will see those memberships decrease on a yearly basis. Don't mean to be pesismistic, just being realistic! Look how the numbers dropped in one year since they increased the membership rate to include the PFHW. How many people are going to still pay $55 per year when the mag is really going to rot now? Who is going to pay for those advertising fees?

I can see the executuve board is in the habit of making decisions with out thinking thru the consequences of those decisions. :evil:

[Pinto Paso]

Proper breeding records, ability to track production of sires and dams, knowing what lines cross with each other, and a paper trail for future breeders to track. Yes many mutts, hybreds and or upbred animals are able to stand on their own merrits but far more often a hodge podge of unknown heritage and conformation/health problems can results with little way of tracing the problems.